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Uk Marine Found Guilty Of Murder

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Chin Strapped

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This is all over our news at the moment and I'm unsure as to what to make of it at the moment. I would like to hear other's thoughts.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24870699

Currently, I feel a life sentence is too harsh. However this guy showed a lack of army values, values so many others strive to maintain.

Your thoughts ladies and gentlemen?
 
Personally mate I don't blame him. Hundreds of his fellow marines and other allies have died and what they said 'It's nothing he would not do to us' is true too, but the Geneva convention is the Geneva convention. And if he was going for his weapon, yeah.

I think the clincher was what he actually said.

Life though not a chance. There should have been mitigating circumstances. The war has been going on over there and in his own country, even right outside a barracks where the young fellow was run over and then hacked to death. The problem is that it's a war crime. Did he plead guilty or not guilty? If he pleaded not guilty but with mitigating circumstances he should of got a life sentence, but you would have to know his background.

I used to be an Ace at Aussie Military Law.
 
Not sure what he pleaded. I reckon the insurgent was a mess, so he just put him out his misery.

I just couldn't see the rifles, who I Served with doing that. As much as we would have liked too.

His own f*cking head cam got him!!!
 
Been that way since Vietnam. We had the My Lai incident. Lt. Calley got castrated over it. Wonder what the verdict would be if the folks making the rules were members of a squad in the field. I had to let whole batches of trucks go when they'd go through an off limits village.

Video was the killer here.

Sarg
 
We had a young LT in Cambodia. They were on a so called peace keeping mission and all they had to arm themselves were a couple of 9 pistols and their Steyers, I think they might have had a couple of Mag 58's too, but very little ammunition.
Anyway, nearly every night their perimeter would be probed by unkown's and a shit load of fire would be incoming including rockets etc.
The LT put in his report and requested additional weapons. The answer was, 'There is no know enemy in that area, so you don't need the weapons.'. After about the fifth time they went into the local black market and purchased M60's, Grenades, RPG's, etc.
During the day they were locked in a trunk and they just kept their normal weapons, and when the shit hit the fan they would break out the heavy stuff and fight back. Of course there were never any bodies, but blood trails in the morning.
This went on for a couple of months. They even had a couple of higher ranks visit when the shit went down and they said nothing when the weapons were pulled out, and they reported heavy fire when they went back.
All this time they reported every day during their sitrep that heavy fire happened at night.

Finally after a few months they sent out a Major and a MP Staff Sergeant to investigate. Sure enough that night the firefight began, it got so heavy that they broke out the trunk and even the Major and SSGT got involved.

The Major and the SSGT went home the next day.

Two weeks later the Platoon Commander and the Platoon SGT as well as the Section Commander a CPL were replaced and they were recalled to Phnom Penh and were charged with procuring black market weapons. It was not the Major that visited, but the MP SSGT who was chasing his promotion to Warrant Officer.

The LT chose Court Martial and was busted to 2LT, a rank that only existed in our reserve forces and he was posted to a shit kicker unit for three years. The Platoon SGT who was actually a SSGT chose to take the charge and he was found guilty and was fined and told he would never make Warrant Officer. The Section Commander took the charge and was fined and told he would not make Sergeant. They both discharged. The LT however made it all the way to Colonel.

The MP never made Warrant Officer.

The whole thing of it, yeah he did the wrong thing, but if they had not procured those weapons there would have been lives lost.

That guy who got caught out because of his own helmet cam. Maybe if he did not mention the Geneva Convention and pleaded ignorant.
 
Yeah it sucks but that is a hard call to make. He seems to have known he was pushing the Geneva Convention by his comments. My main problem from the beginning was when it was initially to go after terrorists (international criminals?) than why is only one side held accountable to the convention. The whole thing is a very complicated mess, so that may not hold true for this case since it was an Afghan insurgent (taliban?) and we invaded their space.
 
It is a mess.

Probably make an example of him, to distract the public from the mess created by the politicians; the Afghanistan war.

He should get a light sentence. I doubt he'll have it bad inside.
 
No chance of him going to Coly, they will throw him out and he will go to a civvie nick, Not the right place imho,

We have all been some place similiar, But he was out of line and has disgraced the Rgt., and then his mates should have stopped him aswell but seeing as they didn`t they should be dealt with even if only at Rgt level.

The whole thing is a cluster f*ck, as I guess to be expected from guys who are not getting a break from being in theatre.

Imho the Politicians should also be held acountable for pushing the guys on the ground to far.
 
We had some SAS guys go through the same sort of thing, during that instance, they had just had a friendly killed by the bloke. Realistically we all know what they did was wrong, but the mitigating circumstances surrounding it should come into play. Every day their mates are dying by the enemy. If they let them off though, I think there would be hell to pay in the streets of the UK.
 
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