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MY problem is I still can't see Trump as president. I remember him on the show of "You're fired" . Although I didn't watch it, he was always firing someone and it came natural to him.. I never cared for him as an actor. ( Which he was, and maybe is why the actors are now acting out. I think that is why Johnny Depp said- he was professional liar, afterward-- now, that I put it together) . I look at the news but I can't process it. To me, it's like comedy central and it's all a joke because Trump was an actor. What does this presidency see, in the non- medicated sense of PTSD? ( I'm medicated anyway) What is that going to do with people when it doesn't exist anymore? Are they still going to take the same transit system with someone that's really messed up and not medicated? That reminds even me even more about how flippant our healthcare system has become.
 
@anthony in regards to your question, I think 9/11 was a huge turning point for the U.S. Confirmation of previous conspiracies were confirmed such as the declassification of MK Ultra and and Compensation for for the Marshell islands victims and other nuclear testing were fresh in people minds, which paved the way for legit conspiracy theory's and wack job theories on 9/11. The we went into Iraq under false pretenses. During that time inflation skyrocketed. While gasoline has always been cheap compared to other other countries, we watched the prices triple over night. This incited a lot of rage and distrust of our current system and a fostered a belief that we got away from what the founding fathers intended.

During the great recession Americans learned that many long held beliefs were only myths. We were taught that our homes were the one investment we could count on as they would only appreciate in value, so we bought big homes. We were taught education would guarantee us good jobs. Hard work would guarantee us a comfortable lifestyle. Then everyone started losing their homes and jobs. We were scared. We had been taught that is nothing else you could always get a job flipping burgers, but then McDonald's had their big hiring day and millions turned out to apply for jobs, many of those people had degrees, PHD's representing disproportionate number of job seeks. There were only a few thousand positions available nation wide which blew that myth out of the water and we were left standing there with nothing to say but WHAT THE f*ck!? The as if to rub our noses in the fact that the middle class could no longer find work or afford the rising food costs, the banks got massive bailouts.

This spawned a lot of grass roots movements such as the Tea Party movement and Occupy Wall street. Around the same time Obama was campaigning on Change, (To be honest though, he just never exactly clarified how that change would come about outside of healthcare reform.)

We had always been taught that Protests were the way for the average American citizen to get things done and was a right afforded to us as citizens. But now, we were bombarded by stories of innocent protesters being viciously and unfairly attacked by swat teams and the Libertarian Tea Party movement was hijacked by the Republican party and the Occupy movement was labeled as a liberal movement by the media. (I assure you, that it did not start out that way even if it did attract a more liberal crowed) The Occupy movement was huge. The protests were massive, but the only thing it accomplished was that the average citizen learned we didn't have as much power or say as we thought we did. We also learned that the media wasn't to be trusted.

We were stuck in a two party paradigm.

Eventually, under Obama things did improve but we still felt resentful about the fact that the wars in the middle east continued and that the patriot act was renewed, two things Obama campaigned against, yet did anyways. So we were fed up with the status quo.

Americans were angry at the current system, but the thing is, while we retained the emotional memory of what had occurred over the last several years, we seemed to forget the facts. That is what I noticed of people anyways. People seemed to forget why they were angry and why the longed for change in the system.

Fast forward to the the primaries. The democrat nominees were Bernie Sanders and Hillery Clinton. People saw Hillary as a war monger and while The Bernie Sanders seemed to be the favorite, few people voted for him because they feared he could beat a republican in the actual election. On the other hand the republicans seemed to gather all of their party rejects to run in the primaries. Then there was Trump, Someone who wasn't apart of the system that failed us, and people weren't thinking about what a buffoon he was, just that he wasn't "one of THEM."

So basically, 1. They retained the emotional memory and the anger of the previous decade without remembering why they felt that way and 2. they were so desperate for anything different they didn't care what different meant, because they forgot what the different they wanted would look like.

*forgot to add, that what people previously imagined different would look like, would be getting big business out of government. It's so sad it is funny.
 
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we watched the prices triple over night
LOL... we all went through this. It sucked. Australia has plateaued with fuel, to a degree. They try and put it up to $150 a litre, and people just rebel and fuel usage drops. They keep it around, as a majority, the $1.20 - $1.30 range, people happily pay and everything goes swimmingly along. I don't think you get any argument from most about fuel prices, gauging of them and such. They think people are stupid, when fuel prices increase just before a long weekend, then drop again two days later. Total BS... and here it is regulated highly, yet the Government seem quite incompetent to actually fix the issue. Oil goes down, they use excuses of existing stock to maintain higher prices. Eventually they crawl down as oil continues to drop, yet nowhere near how far oil has dropped. Gee... again with the stupidity thing. Then when oil increases, fuel at the pump increases immediately. Like... what happened to the existing stock for price increasing? Oh shit... that only applies selectively when oil drops, not when oil increases.

Big business and Governments are greedy and incompetent respectively.
 
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"During that time inflation skyrocketed"
Actually, that is incorrect... in 2007 inflation was at 2.2% and fell strategically to 1.5% through 2008. There is a model set for hyper-inflation that is used to control the offset of margin. Things actually cost less through the Great Recession than usual hence the reason why our GDP has been low and why the current Fed has tied interest rate hikes to a 2% inflation margin.
I am not posting this to be condescending, but this is why I hate threads like this bc facts aren't posted. I KNOW there was no malice intent in posting that "inflation skyrocketed" but it simply isn't a fact. There is an entire Keys model on the subject if you don't believe me. Just FYI the Democrats work of Keys model for economics where Republicans work of the Trickle down model. Therefore, I am citing economics based on the Democratic model so no one will think my perception is skewed by some Republican propaganda. It is important to note that if you are looking through the lens of citing information based on political view, it will always be skewed by perception. If you choose to look at information solely based on what the numbers provide, you see the issues and data solely as number not tied to a political opinion. Inflation is one of the few numbers that cannot be toyed with based on political gain unlike Unemployment, etc. Inflation, GDP numbers fall under the "is what it is" category.
@anthony it is interesting you bring up oil. Here, so much of it was tied to foreign oil dependency vs being independent of Middle East oil ties. Have you been to Saudi Arabia? They built an entire nation from our oil dependency. Lol. Capatilism, although it has given us an opportunity to be successful, can be an ugly, ugly monster.
 
@scout86 I too think that people who do the stock market, deserve what they get when it crashes. I don't want to hear the whining and crying about the thousands of $$ they lost. Don't want to lose $$, then don't buy stupid stocks!!!!, JMO!!!
 
@anthony , I think that was a pretty good description of Donald Trump.

I don't think it's all uniquely American though. Comparisons to Hitler have probably been over done, but I think there are similarities that play in just because people are people.

Due to globalization etc, you have significant numbers of people who's plans and dreams aren't working like they expected. There are problems. There's fear. People always want someone to blame and the default way to go seems,, usually, to blame 'the other'. There are people in leadership positions, I think, who get how this works and are willing to exploit it. You promise to solve all their problems. You blame those problems on someone else. You make the opposition out to be evil. You construct 'alternative facts' as needed to support your positions. It's worked before, elsewhere. It seems like kind of a time honored way to manipulate people.
 
Things actually cost less through the Great Recession than usual hence the reason why our GDP has been low and why the current Fed has tied interest rate hikes to a 2% inflation margin.
I am more than happy to debate this with you. Sure, there were things that cost lest, but they weren't the items that the average American purchased. You can't tell me that food prices and rent didn't skyrocket, because they did.

When they gave the list of items that were cheaper, and and therefore no cost of living adjustment for Social Security payments, everything that was cheaper were essentially want items not need items. Electronics went down in price, cruises went down in price, Prada and Gucci went down in price. Food, affordable clothing and rent skyrocketed. So in a way we are both correct. When more expensive items go down in prices, it does lower the technical numbers. But inflation on the goods that the poor and working class consumed skyrocketed. My perception is based on personal experience, especially the cost of food and basic household supplies.
 
Our monthly food bill is second only to our mortgage payment. And I don't buy much prepackaged, processed stuff ever. It's the produce that gets you more than anything else. We don't eat much meat and get it for a lower price from the local butcher's shop. Since hubby's heart attack, we have been buying lots more fresh fruits and vegetables. Those are the high end items. $2 for a head of lettuce ?!?!?
 
I am more than happy to debate this with you. Sure, there were things that cost lest, but they weren'...
I'm sorry but you really are wrong. Please go do the research. Food, milk, gas, electricity, etc did NOT go up but in fact went down in price. I don't know about Gucci or Prada or cruises and find that point senseless to the conversation. If it is meant to imply that the rich just got to buy their luxuries cheaper then that statement proves that there is much to be learned. I am only interested in fact. Fact is inflation went down. Cost of goods and services either maintained their pricing or went down. Mortgage rates went down. Along with that so did interest bearing accounts, bonds, stocks, pension plans, retirement funds, and a plethora of other items that effect working class Americans. The other fact that is incorrect is there were no COLA's for social security. There were ONLY 3 years, all of which occurred during the Obama administration, that no cost of living adjustments (COLA) were made. 2009, 2010, 2015. 2011 saw a 3.5% increase which would offset the 2009/2010 loss.
I really don't want to argue but you really are wrong. On all points. It's frustrating. There are no alternative facts to be had here. We both aren't right. There was an across the board decrease in inflation from fiscal year 2007 up until Very recently.
There is no argument to be made otherwise. Sorry. I really am going to step out here only because I feel like we are at an impasse where you will believe what you want to believe no matter what fact is produced. I realize that those times were incredibly tough for most Americans, myself included. Really hard.

I also realize my opinions are very unpopular. I don't mean to discredit anyone's difficult time during those years. It was a tumultuous time in history for this country. I watched dear friends loose everything and families struggle. Heart Wrenching!!! I saw middle class Americans work harder than ever to make ends meet. Most had two jobs bc maybe they lost their good paying job and had to get two. It was sad and horrible all in the same breath. I am thankful and grateful for surviving the process. It could have been worse for us. It wasn't and I will forever be humbled and grateful for all the opportunity I have had in my life that others didn't. I won't apologize for my success. I have worked hard REALLY HARD, taken great risk, worked even harder and at no ones expense. No one gave me anything except an opportunity and I seized it and worked hard to make it successful. I won't apologize for that or my yearly income. I won't apologize for seeking knowledge about the economy, it's history, what transpires globally on a daily basis, or my desire to print the truth here and not perception.
I will, however, apologize if I have offended you or anyone else with HOW I presented facts, or if it has come across in a condescending way because that truly is NOT my intent. The content of what I have presented is not based on perception, but only fact. I will now bow out. Thanks for the opportunity to present what I know. Best wishes to all. For Americas sake, I really hope Trump is successful bc if he isn't, it hurts us all.
 
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