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[Deleted member 45988]

Something that I think gets missed:

The entire purpose of the second amendment is to protect the p...

Below is not intended to be a criticism of post I am responding to, just wanted to say something...

I just want to say that have experience with hypocracies of people from both conservative and liberal sides and in my experience is that people are fairly consistently racist, tribal, unaccepting of some other, very prone to blame enemies, tend to blame enemies for everything, tend to be hypocritical, like to punish enemies without accepting responsibility etc, etc. It isn't really different in my experience if people are white, black, gay, straight, jewish, Christian, Muslim, conservative, liberal, etc, etc

I sort of think real problems come in when one side has most of the power and influence and is therefore somewhat immune from criticism for inconsistencies and also, therefore, have the power and influence to blame and punish some other, especially if they are their political enemies.

I think access to guns is a problem and I think racism against Jews, Japanese, etc are real, terrible historical problems.

But I think if one wants to figure things out, one can't truly trust the explanations of one side and there is a real problem where one side does tend to have most of the power to explain reality.

Like I think there is a complex and complicated problem going on right now, but I think that because one side, liberals, have most of the power to explain reality to the populace, they are tending to simplify a complex problem into blame and accusations of the enemy. The enemy being conservatives who they probably assume are not only causing the problem because they won't stop being pro-gun, but they just assume are pro-evil because they are also pro-racism, pro hate of gays, etc, etc.

I am not all that interested in firearms and I agree that access to guns is an issue, but I think I tend to repeatedly side on the side of gun advocates because I see hypocracies on both sides, but that one side has most of the power to explain the problem in a way that is consistent with their internalized inclinations. Like it is not possible to me that despite a very long history of access to guns in the us that a problem suddenly emerged that can be entirely blamed on access to guns. To me, there is just no way that suddenly something happened that is eveidence that one side, the side with most of the power and influence, was right all along and their political enemies are entirely, completely and totally to blame.

Again, this isn't a criticism of post I am responding to, just something I wanted to say.

 

[SaharaSon]

First Hitler disarmed the population, then he stabbed, shot, hung, gassed and fried six million Jews, not to mention many millions of others. This happened only a few years ago in a modern, advanced, progressive, western european state. Please believe your eyes, they are not lying to you. The dead are begging you to learn from history. It will happen again here if the American population is disarmed. Nothing has changed. :D

 

[Deleted member 45988]

First Hitler disarmed the population, then he stabbed, shot, hung, gassed and fried six million Jews,...

I think there was a boatload of things going on around hitler. There was beyond absurd inflation after wwi, poverty, general doubt and depression from losing war and pointless deaths of soldiers, girls were becoming prostitutes at high levels, Berlin became a 1920s center of liberal vice in the western world where people all over came for jazz and prostitution. Jews had also tended to settle in Berlin, Jews also tended to be at forefront in anti-war movements in WWi Germany, Jews also tended to be among the leaders in communist movements (Karl Marx, Trotsky, etc). All these things created a tendency for everyone to need to find someone else to blame and punish to feel better about themselves and Jews somehow became an ideal group to blame and punish for everything that was going wrong.

But still Jews were not responsible for the Weimar republic's horrible realities, they were just a fantastic scapegoat for all of societal ills and it eventually became dangerous to even defend Jews because the enemies of Jews ended up with all the power.

Like it was probably right to blame Jews of being selfish and causing problems, just like it is right to accuse everyone of being selfish and causing problems. But it was in no way right to place all blame and Jews and give everyone else a pass and tell everyone else how great they were because they were a "master race".

Then somehow the nazis actually managed to help Germany get out of the horrible aftermath of WWI by creating industry by rearming and somehow lifting the spirits of German people by talking about how Germans were a master race, giving nazis even more power to accuse and blame and punish their enemies and continue to give everyone else a pass. And the media became more and more and more one viewpoint. I suspect even many of the nazis started by blaming Jews to get power without necessarily believing their own nonsense, but they just kept repeating nonsense for so long that even they began to believe stupidity.

Then stupidity started getting really bad, then got worse, then got worse, etc, etc.

Like I think liberals tend to see Hitler and then decide it is proof of how evil white people and Christianity and such and such are. But I don't think that's really the problem, I think it is more like if one side has all the power things start with somewhat reasonable accusations, then turn to nonsense, then turn to stupidity, then turn to evil, then turn to worse evil, etc, etc because counter arguments were not allowed.

Like I think conservatives like to accuse liberals of being nazis which is totally wrong, but the logic behind it is not as ridiculous as it might initially seem.

 

[anonymous]

And now the president is sticking by his statements to suspend constitutional rights without due process

He really should have taken that Gold Star father up on his offer of a copy of the Constitution. But, if he has the mental health issues I think he does, he's not going to think it applies to him anyway.

Like I think liberals tend to see Hitler and then decide it is proof of how evil white people and Christianity and such and such are

I don't know. I think of myself as liberal and don't think that. Actually, I don't think Hitler was, by any stretch off the imagination "Christian". But he did kind of advocate "make Germany great again".

Personally, I think an evil dictator, by any name, is still an evil dictator. And I think people who aspire to the title of evil dictator are a big part of the reason we have a second amendment. I don't think the founders envisioned a standing army, much less the huge military we have, but they were pretty aware that governments don't always look out for the people. They'd just fought a war over that very thing.

 

[scout86]

Alright. I have no idea how I got that to come up as anonymous. It was me who made that last post.

 

[SaharaSon]

Hitler was an Athiest. He was anti-Judaism and anti-Christianity according to most scholars.:D

 

[Neverthesame]

I don't think Hitler was, by any stretch off the imagination "Christian"

He was a catholic with a piss fetish if remember correctly.

he did kind of advocate "make Germany great again".

You what else he had in common with Trump?
People thought he looked like an idiot with that stupid moustache and thought he boorish and dumb as a post. The news media had a field day making fun of him. Untill it became to dangerous to speak out.

My favourite was a newspaper description of a party rally. They said he looked like a complete fool with his shouting tirade, accentuated by his frothing at the mouth while flapping his arms about with epileptic gesticulations.

 

[Deleted member 45988]

Hitler was an Athiest...

And Hitler was a vegetarian artist who possibly tended to wish weak minded European christians could be more like muslims who he saw as strong and conquering. And he believed in living with woman without being married.

Not a good example of proof of how conservatives are evil, but I think large percentage of people assume he was

 

[Deleted member 45988]

He was a catholic with a piss fetish if remember correctly.

You what else he had in common with...

Here is a quote from Wikipedia entry on Hitler:

Hitler was born to a practising Catholic mother and an anticlerical father; after leaving home Hitler never again attended Mass or received the sacraments. Speer states that Hitler railed against the church to his political associates and though he never officially left it, he had no attachment to it. He adds that Hitler felt that in the absence of organized religion, people would turn to mysticism, which he considered regressive. According to Speer, Hitler believed that Japanese religious beliefs or Islam would have been a more suitable religion for Germans than Christianity, with its "meekness and flabbiness".

Adolf Hitler - Wikipedia

 

[Justmehere]

Canada is threatening retaliation against the US.

*this is not satire*

Trump is following through on his promise to enact heavy tariffs... Many companies and countries are warning him.

It will be interesting to see how this all shakes out.

 

[SaharaSon]

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God bless Trump. Finally someone is looking after the interests of US steelworkers and the US steel industry. I'm in the I.B.E.W. and I have worked with alot of those steel workers. Good for them! The US is not going to be rolled by anyone anymore. It's a new day. Hallelujah!:D