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[Deleted member 45988]

@scout86: "or that they find violence appealing"

By the way, I did not say, or mean to imply, that women find violence appealing, I was talking about status and how to a beat down young man it may seem like violence is a way to gain status or a way to be treated with respect, which then, in turn, might make them more appealing. Like in movies how harassed young man punches some bully and things get better maybe with them ending up getting the girl after they confront a bully with violence.

I feel like these things are complicated to explain and I'm not sure it's even worth trying. I like writing things and it gives me something to think about that aren't problems, but I feel like many things I say are going to end up sounding controversial even though I don't intend to be controversial and I'm not interested in arguing with people.

I'm wondering if I should tell my girlfriend to make sure I don't look at forum...

 

[scout86]

but the above is screwed up on so many levels that I find it troubling.

He has a goofy sense of humor and was probably trying to provoke a reaction. (It worked.)

Like in movies how harassed young man punches some bully and things get better maybe with them ending up getting the girl after they confront a bully with violence.

That probably works in movies WAY more often than it does in real life. But, girls/women are quite capable of making dumb choices for bad reasons too.

This stuff IS complicated. As unpopular as the idea is, there's a good chance biology has something to do with it. The numbers are pretty dramatically skewed in favor of male perpetrators. And there IS, historically, some sort of benefit to a male human having that macho personal, just like there is for most animals. I'd like to think we've evolved to the point where the higher centers of the brain can be running things most of the time, and we aren't relying on the mammalian part of the brain. That doesn't mean we shouldn't pay any attention to people (of any gender) who are having a bad time. That's a point I've been trying to make all along. If we put more time and effort into noticing and helping people who are frustrated, angry, and disaffected it seems like the world would be a better place. As far as I'm concerned, it makes more sense to work on that than it does to eliminate guns.

I don't know many facts about the kid from FL. For all the times a problem was reported, I have yet to hear that anything substantial was done to try to help. By that I mean some kind of mental health assessment and appropriate treatment. The governor of the state I'm living in just came up with a good, common sense idea. He'd like to see any student who's expelled from school automatically referred to social services for an evaluation. Because when a kid is kicked out of school there's obviously some sort of problem and they won't have access to the help that exists within the school system. That's such an obvious step I can't believe it hasn't been standard operating procedure all along.

 

[Deleted member 45988]

He has a goofy sense of humor and was probably trying to provoke a reaction. (It worked.)

That probabl...

Thanks for writing the above post. It was well thought out.

I think males of species tend to be driven to do things, like maybe a male dog stays within a fence until the female dog next door is in heat and then he jumps the fence that owners assume is too high for him to jump. Or something along these lines, not sure if this actually happens. Females of species just don't do these sorts of things.

And how Trump can go from attractive wife to younger attractive wife. People can be outraged by it, but it still works and it does not often work in reverse where a successful woman can go from attractive trophy husband to younger attractive trophy husband to younger attractive trophy husband.

Like I really think if you want to figure out what motivates young shooters you have to look at these things and you have to look at whether young men with problems are treated as sympathetically as young women with problems.

I think it's not actually as difficult to figure out as it is uncomfortable or politically incorrect to figure out.

 

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2 teachers have opened fire in schools this week.
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it does not often work in reverse where a successful woman can go from attractive trophy husband to younger attractive trophy husband to younger attractive trophy husband.

I have seen it, it isn't common as fewer women go after younger men as spouses versus just a fling, but it happen every now and then. Men seem to get more out of the whole Trophy Spouse than women do.

you have to look at these things and you have to look at whether young men with problems are treated as sympathetically as young women with problems

If basing it on my personal experience I would say young men receive more sympathy. My male abusers received more sympathy than I did, in fact I didn't receive any at all. I could choose to believe that my experience is the same for everyone, but the truth is, my experience is as completely subjective as is yours. The objective truth is that it has more to do with the people surrounding that person than their sex.

The number one reason I find myself disagreeing with most things you say is because you state subjective opinion as being objective fact.

As for the motivation behind school shooter or any domestic terrorist act is usually one of two reasons. 1) revenge for a perceived injustice; in the case of the Columbine shooting it was bullying and they wanted to take revenge out on popular kids. 2) to send a message. In the case of the Oklahoma City Bomber he was trying to send a message, of course those messages get lost of forgotten about when you blow up a day care. The world doesn't see someone trying to send a message about their cause, they see a psycho who committed needless violence and people care more about the lives that were lost than they do trying to understand why, outside of trying to prevent another tragedy

In the Floridia shooters case, it doesn't really matter why he did it. I think by know we know enough due to previous tragedies on how to stop future events. IMHO it would take an overhaul of the entire culture. We would have to get rid of the U.S.'s individualistic culture where it is every man for himself, pick yourself up by your boots strap ideology, and start caring more about others and develop a greater sense of community involvement. People who have strong support systems and intervention when there are problems, don't commit mass murders.

 

[Deleted member 541]

And so we are left with Trump and his way of dealing with people that may have mental health issues that go on a shooting rampage. “Open up the mental institutions again”. It’s just easier than tackling the gun issue. It’s easier than actually working on ways to stop the violence. It’s easier to bury a few people, rip open the hearts of an entire community, walk away and wash your hands only to have a yearly remembrance to clear your conscience. That’s the governments way of dealing.

I only hope that the Never Again Movement can bring “some change” to Washington. I doubt it will be anything more than something that will try to shut these kids up and make them go away. These children are our next leaders, our next governors, mayors, and congressmen. They won’t forget, and they won’t go away, and they will vote these assholes out of office in the next election.

I think and hope that the process for change will happen, but it will be yrs in the making.....JMO!!!!

 

[Deleted member 45988]

@Fadeaway said: "The number one reason I find myself disagreeing with most things you say is because you state subjective opinion as being objective fact."

But I am not. I keep saying "I think" and things like "based on my experiences." I think it's more like I don't lack self confidence in my ability to think things like this through and arrive at reasonable conclusions and I'm comfortable being wordy, so it maybe comes across as conceipt or is just overwhelming. But I am totally willing to take other things into account, but somehow most others aren't comfortable debating back in the same way.

A problem for me is that I actually think I'm pretty brilliant in certain ways (though I think I'm extremely bad at many things). I got highest college entrance exams in my graduating class despite torment and sometimes physical violence. I tried to start YouTube business before YouTube existed. Right now I want to set up complex option setup on S&P 500 futures to take advantage of a fall, because I am fairly confident it's coming. But I have not/am not able to do any of these things because I have spent so much time being beat down by idiots and then being traumatized by the beat downs.

Like I fear if I go to psych and talk about gays sexually assaulting me and trying to convert me, they might then say how it's not possible for these things to happen and then it will occur to argue back mentioning the pederasty system in ancient Athens between artisans and apprentices, how thebian (Thebes was Ancient Greek city state) elite military was made up homosexual couples, how Spartan military was made up of younger and older male couples who weren't necessarily gay but there was supposed to be homosexual attachment. Then how Alexander the Great probably had homosexual relationship after being educated in Athens, then how Paul of the Bible was arguing in Greece in letters and how alexanders conquest of known world affected judea which one might have to consider, then I can go to roman emperors including Hadrian who was called "the greekling" for his interest in Greek culture which also included having a Greek boy he was enemored with, then homosexual inclinations of renaissance artists and the influence of rediscovery of neros golden house and how upper class roman idealization of Greeks influenced renaissance artists, etc. Then maybe after all this the psych gets mad, which I can then explain as him feeling discomfort because his internal belief systems are being challenged.

Like I am fully aware that I can be overwhelming and annoying or just anger inducing and I usually just don't say anything to people I disagree with, but this becomes a real problem when I am dealing with my problems or I'm trying to figure out problems, because it's like I have to explain things in this way

 

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Like I am fully aware that I can be overwhelming and annoying or just anger inducing and I usually just don't say anything to people I disagree with, but this becomes a real problem when I am dealing with my problems or I'm trying to figure out problems, because it's like I have to explain things in this way

This is a topic for a different thread. Start one if you'd like to discuss the issue.

 

[Deleted member 45988]

@Fadeaway stated: "As for the motivation behind school shooter or any domestic terrorist act is usually one of two reasons. 1) revenge for a perceived injustice; in the case of the Columbine shooting it was bullying and they wanted to take revenge out on popular kids. 2) to send a message."

It recently came out in news that Parkland shooter's younger brother is saying younger brother and younger brothers friends bullied the shooter. Must have been embarrassing being bullied by younger brother and other younger kids. Parkland shooter had been apparently very upset about girlfriend breaking up with him and, and as far as I can tell, shooter did not have a new girlfriend. Shooting happened on Valentine's Day, which I suspect is not a complete coincidence.

I did not know any of above until just now, I just somehow suspected that it was about girls and harassment and status, especially with how status relates to girls, because I think it's almost always about these things.

 

[Deleted member 45988]

@SheCat said: "I only hope that the Never Again Movement can bring “some change” to Washington. I doubt it will be anything more than something that will try to shut these kids up and make them go away. These children are our next leaders, our next governors, mayors, and congressmen. They won’t forget, and they won’t go away, and they will vote these assholes out of office in the next election."

But the two main examples of men who were sexually assaulting for decades without being punished that really started the movement, Kevin Spacey and Harvey Weinstein, are both very liberal democrats. Additionally, Spacey is gay and Weinstein is Jewish. I don't understand how Trump and other republicans can possibly be held at fault for liberal minorities in a dominant liberal environment, Hollywood, being jackasses and getting away with it.

 

[Deleted member 541]

@Pokeyslow I’m not sure just how the Never Again Movement I spoke about has anything to do with Kevin Spacey or Harvey Weinstein??????

 

[Deleted member 45988]

@Pokeyslow I’m not sure just how the Never Again Movement I spoke about has anyt...

I'm sorry, I got "Me Too" and "Never Again" movements mixed up. You are right, these guys have nothing to do with never again movement. I apologize.

 

[Neverthesame]

Spacey is gay and Weinstein is Jewish.

What does this have to do with anything? Who cares whether or not Kevin Spacey f*cks men? Whether he's a catcher or a pitcher had nothing to do a double homicide in Michigan
Same with Weinstein. He's Jewish, so what? Bad things aren't happening to people because he's a jew.

Even with the movement mixup, these things still don't matter.
Spacey isn't a shitty human because he's gay. He's a shitty human who happens to be gay.
Just as Weinstein isn't a shitty human because he's a Jew. He's a shitty human who happens to be Jewish.

Your fixation on broadcasting the religion, sexual orientation and ethnicity of every person you refer to, is starting to make me a little uncomfortable. Especially when it has nothing to do with the topic being discussed.