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Personally, I love a good protest. As a kid I would see people protesting and wanted to be apart of it despite the lack of understanding about why people were protesting. I got really into the Occupy movement for a while, and was a member of online committees and helped get the movement in my town off the ground.

No, it doesn't seem to change anyone's mind, mostly because the media will spin it to serve their means. But, it does feel good to be out there standing up for something you feel passionate about and being among others who feel as passionately about it.
 
Woohoo, Fade! Actually, when we were doing actions, the local media was on our side and always included coverage of our actions on the nightly news shows. So were the police. We had such a good relationship with them, you could see how much they enjoyed action duty. And we all made sure to thank them for their service, joke around with them, etc., which also helped and just made it kind of fun.

On a local level, I think our protests did make a difference. For one thing, most of the protests were led by religious leaders -- a Catholic bishop. an imam, and an assortment of many other leaders of local religious faiths. We were heavily behind this cause. We would meet about it, pray about it, listen to all sides about it, those who were pastors would educate their congregations about it. I really believe that no good turn goes completely unnoticed or without even a little impact.

Though, yeah, even then, we would get disrupted by extremists. We were pretty careful to keep our action times and places amongst ourselves, but often they would show up and try to make us look bad. I don't know if that was their intent, but that was their affect. Still, the local media understood that dynamic and never held us responsible for them. Cripes, that's where the peacekeeping training really helped. I used it most with the extremists. They were really mean. Calling me and others names, ugh. At least they didn't get physical.
 
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I know this is an American thread but I was watching a video the other day of a 95-year-old gentleman who had survived the Holocaust, saved by the American army during the war and now living in America and he was saying how upset he is that again at the end of his life he is seeing Nazi symbols being used again. Do people not understand the devastation that those flags cause people even now. I saw the flag once in England and the police arrested the twat straight away for inciting racial hatred. It baffles me that this is allowed to happen in America. Because for me, what Hitler did was unspeakable, our family members died, it's close for us and not spoken of. Yet in America some awful people are waving these flags, making signs and why are they not being arrested?
 
I totally feel your pain, @Iriseen. They are not being arrested because of the First Amendment of our constitution. Everyone here has the right to free speech, which includes displaying those horrible flags. It sickens me. And I am at a loss about how to get through to these "Americans" who hate so much and so many. I just don't know. I have tried every way I could think of, but to no avail. I am scared.
 
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I saw the flag once in England
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I can think of a different incident where that flag was used in the UK.
Remember when Prince Harry thought it would a good idea to dress up as a nazi storm trooper for a Halloween party a few years back?
Remember how bad the repercussions of that were for him?
Everyone knows he's not a racist, he just chose a Halloween costume that was in poor taste. Didn't matter though. He was raked over the coals anyway.
Deserving or not, doesn't matter. That's what happened.

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Yet in America some awful people are waving these flags, making signs and why are they not being arrested?
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As @hodge put it. The first amendment of their constitution makes that legal.

Why aren't they willing to change it, now that racism has gone from encouraged, to socially acceptable, to unacceptable (mostly)?
A common argument is the "slippery slope", in which there is concern that by eliminating the right to free speech will result in more and more rights being rescinded, turning the US into East Berlin during the cold war. Where speaking up about the wrong thing, such as the government. Could result in your "disappearing".
There's lots of other reasons, but that's the one I hear most often.

Just between us Brits, I think they're just afraid we'll invade again. ;)

Which is of course preposterous.... :angelic: yes... that's believable enough... :sneaky:

Now there is a silver lining to this.
While the 1st amendment guarantees the right to free speech. It does not guarantee freedom from the consequences of your words.
For example, were I an American. I could go into work, find the first co-worker of a different ethnicity than I. Shout racial slurs at him and I won't be arrested.
I will however be fired. Not to mention, possibly punched in the face.

With the fact that everyone has a camera phone as well as the prevalence of social media. Anyone who shows up at those things on the side of the racists, better hope he isn't recognised. A picture and a few tweets later. Bam! Their life as they know it is over. It has happened already.
 
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