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[Anarchy]

I say that, even though I'm totally in favor of public education. I just have a radically different idea of what it should look like.)

I think that I've probably mentioned them before,

Check out Sugata Mitra's ted talks about his "hole in the wall" experiments

And his current colleague, James Tooley.

Mitra experiments with kids teaching themselves, and it works incredibly well. He's a great speaker as well. He got a $1M prize from Ted.

James Tooley, began as an idealistic young lefty teacher, going to work with in Zimbabwe
Yeah - As the marxists would say, he was educated through struggle.
He now researches low cost private schools in the third world.

Remember the young ?Afghan/?Pakistani girl that the taliban shot in the head for openly campaigning for girls to go to school? She came to Britain for surgery and is back campaigning.

It was actually low cost private schools that were educating the girls!

I really enjoyed reading the posts in the thread about schools interfering with transference kids and keeping it from parents.

Part way through, Friday mentions all of the time spent standing in lines, being herded around, sat in rows, sorted into streams and classes.

I refrained from commenting that that is part of state sector education as well. Teaching kids the meaning of hierarchy and their place in that hierarchy. Teaching them how to behave as sheep.

I used to joke with college pal who came from the same county as me, that there was no way that the local (socialist) education authority would waste it's budget educating kids so they could become tory voters.

The fail was already built into the system. Keep them dumb, and they'll go into the coal mines, the steel works and the ship yards, and they'll vote socialist and pay union subs all of their working lives.

Thatcher closed the mines, the steelworks were on strike for a year before thatcher closed them and the unions closed the ship yards with strikes.

The education authority now has an extra vested interest in failing kids, it gets extra funds because of high levels of unemployment.

The last thing it wants to happen is for its unemployed to find jobs.

 

[Anarchy]

Feckin auto correct, I'm getting a fresh keyboard ap, this one is shite.

 

[Deleted member 41765]

And, maybe, the fact that they're falling for it DOES go back to our educational system. (

Well, it certainly took you long enough!! ;) I'm kidding of course...

 

[Deleted member 41765]

Teaching them how to behave as sheep.

This, I do not do. Fortunately I teach at a small progressive project based school. What we do is pretty revolutionary in the field of education. At this point, I couldn't go back to a standard classroom. Just sayin'

 

[Anarchy]

all those industrialists are quite willing to exploit their workers, unless the workers have some way of leveling the playing field

My family too! Every time I worked with them.

That levelling was having alternatives to go to.

Moving wasn't always easy or painless, especially in remote mining towns in the appalacians, Ozarks and the rockies.

Around here, in Northern England, the lead mining companies competed by offering paternalistic benefits, like subsidised small holdings and building model villages for workers, free education and a doctor too. Some of the coal miners did that as well, but most competed on the basis of better pay.

In the end the coal mines, steel works, ship yards and engine builders lured the workers away from the lead mines. The mines in this Valley closed because they couldn't get workers.

The same has generally been true politically as well. Revolution generally results in worse, swapping a corrupt stewart for Cromwell, the bourbons for robspierre and napoleon, the romanovs for lenin and trotsky then stalin, a weak emporer or nationalist warlord for Mao, the French for pol pot.

A far safer option is to quietly feck off out of it. Which is largely how America got settled.

A very good option is to have skills and a lifestyle that can be moved easily. Sort of like economic as well as cultural gypsies and jews. Attempts at oppression are then met with a sudden peaceful loss of workers and population.

There are physical remains that were attempts to counter such moving; the antonine and hadrians walls in Roman Britain, the great Wall of China, the Berlin Wall and iron curtain.

What exactly will trump's wall be for?

 

[EveHarrington]

I thought i dreamt of looking at my news feed and seeing that Trump suggested the nuclear option to end the shutdown. NOPE!

WTF?!?!

 

[Anarchy]

Don't worry, breakables will be kept well out of his reach

 

[Deleted member 541]

I think it’s sick that Trump put out the new commercial blaming the dems for the shutdown and holding our country vulnerable to illegal aliens that kill our people. It’s a disgusting commercial full of nothing but shit that feeds his base.

He is the one that FAILED to keep up his end of the bargain when he promised to sign a bipartisan bill. He was given one and then REJECTED it. Just sick!!!!!!!

 

[scout86]

Trump suggested the nuclear option

When I first heard it, my thought was more "The Air Force wouldn't really bomb Congress, would they?" Then I realized he was talking about the Senate's version of the "nuclear option". LOL

I don't get a commercial TV station here, so I won't see that ad. Does it say who's paying for it? Because I'd hate to think it's US!

 

[EveHarrington]

Idk why everyone is saying “that’s not what he meant”

WTF PEOPLE?!?!

We are so accustomed to this craziness that a president throwing around the word NUCLEAR doesn’t bother anyone.

I seriously hope the world does go ACTUAL nuclear. Then maybe people will wake the hell up.

 

[Justmehere]

"The nuclear option" that everyone is talking about in regards to the government shut down has to do with what is required to pass the budget. The nuclear option is to make a rule change, that it doesn't require 60% to vote approval on the budget, but only 50%. It's been called "the nuclear option" through the last 2 presidencies, and it's called that because it is harmful to both sides of the isle. A 60% bar forces the parties to work with each other.

This go around, the use of "nuclear option" doesn't have anything to do with actual nuclear bombs. The term was first coined in 2003.

The alternative term "constitutional option"[13][14][15] is often used with particular regard to confirmation of executive and judicial nominations, on the rationale that the United States Constitution requires these nominations to receive the "advice and consent" of the Senate. Nuclear option - Wikipedia

@EveHarrington, in regards to your wish for nuclear war.... um, seriously? Or are you doing exactly what you don't want Trump to do, throwing around terms and statements using "nuclear" casually.

 

[Deleted member 37474]

All of the stuff with USA gymnastic’s attempt to protect the doctor over girls that may have come forward over the years is highly disturbing and not surprising. The bravery of the girls speaking up in court is also impressive, but also really hard for me. Since years ago, when I was around their ages, I said nothing. It makes me feel a sense of shame and lack of courage.

I discussed this with my therapist today and she said that her issue with the “me too” campaign is the highly destructive points of view that also come out about women who kept silent to continue/preserve their careers who are now coming out and being shamed or criticized. Or women who stayed silent for whatever reason beginning to speak up.

Then, there are my friends and husband who send me every article they find about sexual abuse because they think it will somehow empower me. It doesn’t. It is a stressor and sometimes a trigger. My T says that when you are in the middle of trauma recovery, this sort of stuff isn’t the best for all people to be hearing. Though for some, can be part of healing.

Any thoughts on this?