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[Justmehere]

One of the reasons for health challenges is the vastness of the country.

The many incidents and problems like this:

Poddubetskaya died during childbirth in eastern Siberia after drunken medics were unable to carry out a blood transfusion in time. Ambulance drivers stopped at a local market to do their shopping while transporting Poddubetskaya’s body and her grieving relatives to the morgue, human rights workers said. http://www.newsweek.com/2016/12/02/dire-russia-health-care-523380.html

Is unrelated to being a vast nation.

 

[Ronin]

Ditto.

And with the incredible Math scores, at what cost though. Corporal punishment should not be how you get to basic add and substract.
There would be also a lot more truly brilliant minds if they were not dying in orphanages and classed as retarded for disability in some area, and, again, abused and neglected to death.

Vastness of country and not providing medical care are two entirely different issues, the size of the area is nonsense excuse.

While we are at it, the rich Russians? The kinds of Russians you would likely have with an access to come to the States, the like? Those tend to be fashion obsessed dumbasses. Not the uber smart prodigies. Rich spoiled brats, pardon my bluntness.

 

[Justmehere]

Most math geniuses in Russia are moving to the US and other western nations. (Article here.)

They are not dummies.

 

[Ronin]

No, not what Im saying, apologies, it was not meant to be connected, just that the *average* Russian moving to the States or with enough money to travel extensively world wide, does not a genius make, nor that it would be somehow a population *norm* worth using as a proof of the nations great education system.

Because those talented people do not thrive so much because of the system, but often in spite of.

 

[Justmehere]

@Ronin - oh, I follow you. I was trying to make a separate but related point that actual mathmatics geniuses, the top minds in Russian mathmatics, do excel inspire of the in-country challenges, and like many sources have pointed out, they end up eventually leaving Russia for the west.

I simply communicated the idea quite badly! (Yikes. I saw it now. Lol.)

I do agree with you. Some of the wealthy are indeed stupid and self obsessed, in every nation. Russia is no exception. I think socialism also feeds the attitude that it’s someone else’s problem (the state) to fix, and not the responsibility of the people.

 

[Fadeaway]

@scout maybe you live in an area different from what I am describing, since I grew up in the areas I am talking about. I. Was just shocked to see so much more of it. These places don't have AG jobs and the nearest factory hundred s of miles away. They are desolate what ever I don't to argue.spenr to many years already trying to convince people who have never been to places like where I grew up exist. We're talking remote non farm land.

Just thinking about the shear isolation of these place send me into flashbacks how easy it is to hide child abuse. Anxiety. Shudder. Still bitter about the person who didn't understand why I didn't go to a library, when the nearest one was 3 hours away by car. Never gonna make it by foot as a child.

 

[LuckiLee]

Sometimes you have to relocate to where the jobs are. One of my nephews is a chemical engineer and had to move out of state after graduating college. When I was growing up my dad was working out of town Monday through Friday to put food on the table. He did that for years.

My cousins live in a rural area up north and the things they do for money is impressive. And they do alot of bartering.

 

[Fadeaway]

But you have to have money to relocate. Where I grew up, you couldn't earn the money to move. It still took us a few hundred dollars in gas alone and we abandoned every thing we owned just to get to a place with jobs.

 

[Sideways]

Sometimes you have to relocate to where the jobs are.

Fwiw, this was a line used by John Howard, who was prime minister here in Australia for 10 years (and, somewhat hypocritically, refused to move from his home in Sydney to the prime minister’s official residence in Canberra). He was vocally “move for employment” guy.

And a lot of people did.

The result is now loads of rural towns right across Australia that are struggling to stay relevant. Some towns have been pretty much deserted, and many continue to struggle to function and provide the services that the remaining population need. And most off all, mental health in regional Australia is now appalling. The suicide rates, domestic violence and drug abuse issues are at epidemic levels in many regional areas.

“Move to where the jobs are” effectively means “move to the cities”, and that creates huge changes in the population landscape, and problems that go along with that, don’t get identified, let alone dealt with, till it’s too late.

Move to where the jobs are sounds easy and like a great solution. Not necessarily so, unless there’s planning and funding to meet the needs of those that don’t move, or can’t move (for the myriad reasons that people can’t move, like the high cost or health issues).

 

[scout86]

We're talking remote non farm land

That IS a different deal. There's a place like that that I drove through once, and would love to move to, but I can't see a way to earn a living.

 

[EveHarrington]

@scout86 Scout this article by Good Jobs Nation is false. This is a leftist leanin...

Sounds like you attack anything left of center.

Not everything leftist is propoganda.

 

[EveHarrington]

Well it seems to be in vogue to trash Russia and the Russian people these days. I refuse to do it. Th...

You’re here....meaning either you or a loved one is disabled.

If you (or your loved one) were a child in Russia, you’d be thrown in an orphanage and be treated less than human.

Yes, Russians have a long history of throwing Russian children in orphanages where they are treated like trash. These are the children that are allowed to be adopted internationally. These kinds have lifelong intellectual and emotional problems.

This issue is well known amongst those who have adopted children from Russia, and anyone who knows someone who has adopted children from Russia.

I’m seriously cracking up at the idea that it’s somehow a new thing to knock the Russians! How old are you? Have you ever taken a history class?

I don’t like the Russians because of what they did to my family. Guess what? They are STILL pulling this bullshit! Invading the Ukraine? It’s not a matter of “that was a long time ago. We have changed. We don’t do that anymore.” I rest my case.