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Emdr: Questions/comments From An Emdr Therapist Who Also Has Ptsd

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I would encourage them to not shy away from giving the client a brief but comprehensive overview of...

Thanks for the feedback! (Yes I've completed the training and working toward certification, plus my own research on other areas of trauma work). I like explaining the process of EMDR to clients, and I'm curious how you might help me understand a good balance of how much to share. It looks like some therapists dumb it down and others use too much jargon, so what are the most important ways I can balance this to make sure it's clearly explained without being too much or too little? Thanks in advance!
 
I've been doing EMDR for about a year now. My therapist is well-trained and keen to help me recover. While I don't like the process, the results are astonishing! It's such a relief to have access to this tool!

Not sure if it's because of my adhd, but it rarely occurs to me to withhold a question. At this point, he knows me better than anyone else in the world does, anyway, so I can say anything that comes to mind. A couple of times I've had to call him out for being judgemental, but otherwise, he's wonderful.


And I just realized that this is probably no help to you, at all...
 
Can I ask why you didn't specialize in trauma therapy in your education? Maybe I'm spoiled as in my area we have a number of institutions which train therapists in trauma work so I just looked for that type of training. Do you do EMDR as a part of marriage counseling?
 
Can I ask why you didn't specialize in trauma therapy in your education? Maybe I'm spoiled as in...

Great question. In CA, Marriage and Family Therapy (MFT) is training to work with all types of clients and issues, plus training in marital and child therapy. I do see couples, children, and families, but most of my clients are individuals. I don't know of any training programs in my area that are entirely trauma training, but that sounds great. My actual degree is Clinical Psychology with emphasis in marriage and family (meaning just extra training), so I'm sorry for the misinformation in the OP. I didn't notice I wrote it that way. There are some cases where I might use EMDR in marriage therapy, such as the trauma of infidelity, but I've yet to do so.
 
OrangeWeezel,
CONGRATS!
For review: [1] Hire qualified Therapist who belongs to? trained by? certified by few? many? different Places? few? many? diff Persons OR only EMDRIA?
[2] Is there some List of emdr "trained" therapists? "certified" therapists? specifying Level of training? How many levels are there?
[3] How many Hours of training did you have before you felt ready to treat a patient?
[4] You said emdr is an 8-Step Process. Is there a Youtube site OR Website that gives an overview of the whole process?
[4] Before step 4 a lot of talking must happen? To get full history? To teach Internal "safe place" {visualization, grounding, container} Skills?
[5] Do you target memories/traumas in chronological order? OR focus on lesser traumas then move to biggest?
[6] Does successful emdr Tx eliminate need for RXs?
[7] You recommend at least 1 support person, a driver, a safe place. What should support people know/understand?
[8] You recommend TICES journaling. Is this something you read/review?
[9] Once Step 4 starts, how often are sessions? 1, 2, 3 times per week?
[10] Do you make yourself available to those who might "freak" post Tx?
THANX much for your approach & attitude about all this. It is so refreshing to not feel in a one-down, vulnerable position.
I know I've asked so many questions, so I very much appreciate all your time & attention. Be Blessed.
 
Ann, thanks for your questions! I saw them yesterday but wanted to wait to respond until I could spend the time to answer them more thoroughly. I'll answer to the best of my ability, however I am not an expert on this. Also, I am Level 2 trained.

[1] Hire qualified Therapist who belongs to? trained by? certified by few? many? different Places? few? many? diff Persons OR only EMDRIA?
The therapist needs to be at least Level 1 Trained to used EMDR with clients (20 hours of training including a practicum - practical experience portion). Therapists who have been trained, paid a membership fee, and agreed to the code of conduct, will be members of EMDRIA, but membership is not required to use EMDR. It does include them on the organization's list. EMDRIA sets the standards and gives approval to individuals/organizations to provide the training in EMDR therapy, so there are different training places approved by EMDRIA. I would suggest only using a therapist who has been trained by an EMDRIA-approved organization or person. Certification is something I will get into in the next question. (Also, PESI & The Bodymind Institute are NOT EMDRIA approved.)

[2] Is there some List of emdr "trained" therapists? "certified" therapists? specifying Level of training? How many levels are there?
On the EMDRIA website there is a list of members who are trained (Under "Find a Therapist") and are members of EMDRIA and another list can be found on the EMDR website ("Find a Clinician"). The levels are Level 1, Level 2 (Advanced), Certified, Approved Consultant. Level 1 is the minimum requirement for using EMDR in one's practice. Certification is something often confused with this treatment, with only about 5% of people ever being certified. The process itself does not necessarily make the therapist more effective, but gives them status because they have gone through a more rigorous process to be assessed by an approved consultant.


[3] How many Hours of training did you have before you felt ready to treat a patient?

Because I was trained directly through EMDRIA, and had previous training on trauma, I felt ready to use EMDR after Level 1 training (while consulting with a therapist who has more experience with EMDR). I began with my longer-term clients, rather than beginning with new clients, because the safety had already been established with them, which is significant in using this intervention.


[4] You said emdr is an 8-Step Process. Is there a Youtube site OR Website that gives an overview of the whole process?
I looked for quite a while to find a video, but couldn't find one I completely agreed with. I found a PDF which comes directly from the creator of EMDR, which gives a pretty good explanation of the 8 steps (I can't post links, but if you google search ""THE EIGHT PHASES OF EMDR THERAPY ACCORDING TO FRANCINE SHAPIRO", the top PDF by pamsweeneymft should be the one).

[4] Before step 4 a lot of talking must happen? To get full history? To teach Internal "safe place" {visualization, grounding, container} Skills?

In this case, history means the history of the issue, not necessarily the client's whole history. It does not need to be fully described or detailed. The clinician will want to identify the "target memory" meaning either the first ("touchstone" memory), the worst, or the most recent, depending on the situation. It can be several sessions before step 4, depending on the type of trauma, and how complex it is.

[5] Do you target memories/traumas in chronological order? OR focus on lesser traumas then move to biggest?

Generally, it's best to start with the youngest connected memory, because that is when our emotions, thoughts about ourselves, and body sensations were first attached to the memory, and therefore to our current lives. This is not always the case, as sometimes a more severe or more recent one is more in the forefront of our minds. But think of targeting earliest memories like cutting a tree down by its roots.

[6] Does successful emdr Tx eliminate need for RXs?

I can't answer this, because research hasn't tested this directly, but depending on what the medication is for, I can see at least a possible reduction in need for medication. It would depend on what the psychiatrist recommended, but if the symptoms are significantly lower, I would think the psychiatrist wouldn't see a need for it anymore.

[7] You recommend at least 1 support person, a driver, a safe place. What should support people know/understand?

They should be told specifically what YOU want and need from them, and that it may be different at times. They can start by asking what you need today, and letting you know they're available. You might want to talk about a session or something that came up during the week, or you might want to talk about something completely different, to keep your mind away from it. You might want to explain to them a little about what to expect from you, possibly being quiet or a little "spaced out," or feeling various things you may or may not want to talk about. They should mostly know to let you lead, even if that means you tell them you need them to check on you, etc.

[8] You recommend TICES journaling. Is this something you read/review?

At the beginning of each session I assess what the client has noticed or experienced since the last session, so if they did the journaling, it's a good source for that. I don't require it because it might be added stress.


[9] Once Step 4 starts, how often are sessions? 1, 2, 3 times per week?

I meet weekly with most of my clients, but some people do best with multiple times a week.


[10] Do you make yourself available to those who might "freak" post Tx?

Yes! I'm definitely available between sessions, and I don't let clients leave the session if they're too dysregulated. I make sure to leave enough time at the end of session to calm down and feel stable. Different clients require different lengths of time to return to a regulated state.

I hope these answers are sufficient, and please feel free to ask follow-up questions!
 
Certification is something often confused with this treatment, with only about 5% of people ever being certified. The process itself does not necessarily make the therapist more effective, but gives them status because they have gone through a more rigorous process to be assessed by an approved consultant.
But, commitment to more supervised hours, and a determination to proceed to the level of Certified does speak (somewhat) to a therapist's engagement with the training.

Also, to maintain the level of Certified in EMDR, the clinician needs to have been independently licensed and practicing for a minimum of 2 years, and has to do regular continuing ed training in EMDR to renew certification - if I recall correctly, it's not much - 10, 12 hours? - of continuing ed every 2 years, but that still is more continuing ed than someone who has chosen to offer EMDR and stay at Level 1. (Not implying that's what you are doing @orangeweezel - simply commenting on your comment)

I don't recall whether that initial training expires....
Yes! I'm definitely available between sessions, and I don't let clients leave the session if they're too dysregulated. I make sure to leave enough time at the end of session to calm down and feel stable. Different clients require different lengths of time to return to a regulated state.
I'm curious - is between-session contact part of the code of conduct for EMDR, as it is with traditional DBT, or is it at the clinician's discretion?
 
Ann, thanks for your questions! I saw them yesterday but wanted to wait to respond until I could s...
I am very grateful for All of YOUR Time & Attention in answering my 10 Questions! No doubt, you'll be effective in treating those who suffer with PTSD.
EMDR information is/was the main reason I'm on this site. Certainly HOPE to see you here again. Sincerely wish you much success, Ann
 
Hello everyone,

I have my master's degree in Marriage and Family Therapy (and work in a group pra...
OW,
Actually, I have a question for you.
I have read in a few places, and actually had some one tell me that this type of "therapy" would not work or be good for me, due to the trauma(s) that I have. Are there conditions or circumstances that should be looked for by the T before doing this type of therapy? Are there any specific things that are taught to T when they are trained?

Hearing and reading these things has made me very apprehensive about looking for some one who does it, much yet attempting to try it.
 
I am impressed by this thread. While I don't have a lot to contribute to it since I haven't done EMDR, I have to say of all the threads I have read so far where a therapist joins the site to ask advice from sufferers, this is the first thread that hasn't gotten my back up. You know your subject, you are respectful and not patronizing, and you ask specific questions (as opposed to something like "Can you tell me what it's like to have PTSD?") I expect that has something to do with being a sufferer yourself.

As to your first question about what makes a therapist safe, from what you say it looks like you are already doing a good job. A few things I'd add: keep doing your own work and self care so you aren't getting triggered by your clients' issues. Be clear on your boundaries from the beginning, and on what your clients can and can't expect from you. When you make a commitment, stick to it. Maybe all of that is obvious, but I've been having experiences lately that are really making me see how safety is created (or otherwise) in a therapeutic relationship. Good work, keep it up!
 
But, commitment to more supervised hours, and a determination to proceed to the level of Certified d...
Thanks for the follow-up, and I agree with what you said about someone who has certification. It definitely does indicate that the person has completed additional steps and is likely a sign that someone is qualified to be successful (and perhaps more competent) at EMDR. The disadvantage is usually quite higher cost, and not necessarily more likely to have success than a non-certified therapist, but I appreciate you adding more depth to the conversation, especially where my answer failed to fully explain the complexity of the subject.

As for in-between session contact, it's not necessarily part of the code of conduct, however during the training we were instructed to be available for reasonable phone contact and possible additional sessions during the week if necessary to accommodate the needs of the client. Safety is the #1 priority, although the specifics of what that might mean are not defined necessarily.A major part is to help the client be as stable and supported as possible (internally and externally) before beginning distressing material, and of course carry our normal duties of being available during urgent times.
 
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