That is not even remotely what was being said.
This condescending remark can be also understood as quite aggressively silencing tactic against well-informed factual opinion of that movement.
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Micro-dosing On Psychadelics
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That is not even remotely what was being said.
This condescending remark can be also understood as quite aggressively silencing tactic against well-informed factual opinion of that movement.
Anarchy, forgive me, I am not trying to derail your thread. I hope you understand.
Cashew, the day I can silence Friday is the day I can walk on water. That comment was directed straight at me and JL already addressed it, so I am not quite certain why you feel the need to do so as well.
I was alive during that time. I was well aware of what happened because I lived through it. My experience of that time is not through documentation alone.
The reason for that comment was to state that there were both very good, mediocre and bad things that happened during that time. Many of the freedoms that we enjoy today are due to the hippy culture.
Not black. Not white. But things from both ends of the spectrum as well as stuff in between.
Cashew, the day I can silence Friday is the day I can walk on water. That comment was directed straight at me and JL already addressed it, so I am not quite certain why you feel the need to do so as well.
I was alive during that time. I was well aware of what happened because I lived through it. My experience of that time is not through documentation alone.
The reason for that comment was to state that there were both very good, mediocre and bad things that happened during that time. Many of the freedoms that we enjoy today are due to the hippy culture.
Not black. Not white. But things from both ends of the spectrum as well as stuff in between.
that article is a bit hard for me to read/focus on right now, but how interesting that this is being spoken about and published like that. and that therapists are onto it and suggesting to clients! so interesting. iv heard a bit about micro-dosing lately and am quite curious to try. my housemate who also experiences chronic pain and mobility issues swears by it, they like to use mushrooms.
i wonder if there is something about the drugs letting very small parts of our subconscious through for us to hold in a more gentle way? kind of like an eclipse, encouraging us to release resistance to our shadows in ways by momentarily shining soft light on to them, potentially bringing moments of clarity and profound insight rather than fear of the unknown/uncomfortable?
i used to take a lot of psychedelics in my late teens/early 20s and i struggled with the darkness that came up, while all my friends around me where having a blast, it was so shameful to me. why cant i just have fun like everyone else? i am 100% certain that taking a full dose trip now days would send me into a spiral i dont even know i could get out of. but im so curious about micro dosing and want to hear more about peoples experiences in relation to trauma release/processing
i wonder if there is something about the drugs letting very small parts of our subconscious through for us to hold in a more gentle way? kind of like an eclipse, encouraging us to release resistance to our shadows in ways by momentarily shining soft light on to them, potentially bringing moments of clarity and profound insight rather than fear of the unknown/uncomfortable?
i used to take a lot of psychedelics in my late teens/early 20s and i struggled with the darkness that came up, while all my friends around me where having a blast, it was so shameful to me. why cant i just have fun like everyone else? i am 100% certain that taking a full dose trip now days would send me into a spiral i dont even know i could get out of. but im so curious about micro dosing and want to hear more about peoples experiences in relation to trauma release/processing
I've tried microdosing with 4-HO-MET and 4-AcO-DMT (shrooms' legal cousins - the latter being indistinguishable IMO) and it's more sedating than others. Psychedelics have very strong anti-inflammatory effects, so I can see why it gives your roommate relief. Personally, I'm very biased towards substances like LSD and 4-HO-MiPT when it comes to microdosing.
Also, a moderate dose of AL-LAD (e.g. 75-100ug) might be up your alley. I find that the "head-f*ck" is even more subtle than say microdosing plain old LSD, but it provides just as many happy feelings and trauma release. It has all of the physical and visual effects of LSD, and it's 10000x easier to manage. It would be my favorite substance on the planet if it wasn't for the long comeup and shits at larger doses. :roflmao:
I'm the first person to say that counter culture idealism was a cesspit of drug induced mental illness and all manners of abuse, usually personality disorders were the people in charge.
I was raised in San Francisco and was a kid in the '70's. I met Hunter Thompson , Jerry Garcia, and even Timothy Leary amongst other so called idols.
I just have to say one thing though here Friday, and my menopause is in control today so Im not going to backtrack after,
There was no movement to be on drugs in blissed out anarchy mayhem after the late 60's except for in extreme groups, addicts or mentally ill people.
Most of that hippie thing was well meaning and surprisingly light recreational drug use. The crazy shit happens when a nut job with charisma gets a following ( Manson, anyone? ) there were more if those around than people know, but they were still far out numbered by people who would be considered harmless vegan pot smoking bookstore owners today.
Hippie culture is harmless. As always, meth, coke and psychedelics in the hands of a mentally ill power freak whether its Hitler, Freud or Manson and Jim Jones are a really bad combo.
@ joeylittle I think Im afraid of that too and Ive always been avoiding street drugs out of fear of disassociating so badly I cant come back.
I can see why it might be useful for hyper vigilance and rigid fear, but fragmented thoughts and impressionist perception visually and emotionally sound way to risky for me.
I personally dont even smoke pot and think mdma sounds like a hideous idea for someone like me with bad boundaries anyway.
Maybe if I wanted to have sex with the UPS man and then empathically mind meld with my nemesis at work, I could manage all that drug free if I wasn't in a hurry every where all day, I suppose.
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I've had Oliver Sacks' "Awakenings" on my book shelf for two years and just gave myself permission to start reading it this weekend
I'd read a bunch of his books about ten years ago, and I re read most of "the man who mistook his wife for a hat" yesterday, including all of the "excesses" section.
The psychedelics excite dopamine receptors
What Sacks was doing was giving parkinsonian patients L-dopa, the pre cursor to dopamine, which parkinsonian patients are deficient in.
L dopa can cross the blood brain barrier, where dopamine itself cannot.
What Sacks found was a huge variation between different people and the same person after holidays from L dopa. No two treatments were the same
Admittedly the people had Parkinson's itself or were left Parkinsonian in a post viral encephalitis syndrome, and were usually incarcerated in a total institution which denied them most choices and the simulations of normal life, and both of those factors clearly had a bearing on their symptoms and their reactions to the L dopa.
Taking those points into consideration,
And that most p!aces psychedelics are illegal, so the only people microdosing who we'll read about In the medical literature are the ones who broke cover because things were going disturbingly wrong
Any who things are going well for will be in stealth mode, and we won't hear from them.
So, anything we are likely to read, may not reflect the experience of many or most relatively healthy people experimenting with micro dosing.
Sacks records some really interesting stuff
With many patients, there seemed to be an increasingly narrow path between doses which were too low and which left them in a more parkinsonian rebound than before they started, and too high and with tics, racing thoughts urges, and into tourettes and even tripping
In some, thorazine ( which blocks dopamine receptors) brought the hallucinations to a swift end, in one or two, hallucinations carried on without respite for weeks and was unaffected by major psychiatric tranquillisers.
There was some really interesting stuff too. It seems like a lot of our pre human and perhaps pre primate ancestors behaviours are there latent in us.
At least two people could drink by lapping with their tongues, so fast that it was clearly an automatic thing, and not under any conscious control
There's also the chapter in "The man who mistook his wife for a hat" about a young doctor who was doing a lot of drugs, and temporarily activated a much more acute sense of smell, which lasted for about a week and In which smells took on a far greater meaning in his consiousness.
There are also discussions of incontinent recall, reminiscence and nostalgia - which are redolent of flashback and transports right into flashbacks. Sacks links these in with temporal lobe seizures as one source of reminiscence, and that ties in with a lot of Sebern Fisher's current stuff on neurofeedback In the treatment of trauma
On the bestial side. Sacks had been asked by visitors whether he was keeping animals for vivisection, such were the inhuman noises coming from some of the patients on the ward at the time.
Sadly Sacks died ( I think it was earlier this year), so there's no way to entice him into posting here.
The books are an interesting taster into the update downs of exciting the dopamine system.
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I'd read a bunch of his books about ten years ago, and I re read most of "the man who mistook his wife for a hat" yesterday, including all of the "excesses" section.
The psychedelics excite dopamine receptors
What Sacks was doing was giving parkinsonian patients L-dopa, the pre cursor to dopamine, which parkinsonian patients are deficient in.
L dopa can cross the blood brain barrier, where dopamine itself cannot.
What Sacks found was a huge variation between different people and the same person after holidays from L dopa. No two treatments were the same
Admittedly the people had Parkinson's itself or were left Parkinsonian in a post viral encephalitis syndrome, and were usually incarcerated in a total institution which denied them most choices and the simulations of normal life, and both of those factors clearly had a bearing on their symptoms and their reactions to the L dopa.
Taking those points into consideration,
And that most p!aces psychedelics are illegal, so the only people microdosing who we'll read about In the medical literature are the ones who broke cover because things were going disturbingly wrong
Any who things are going well for will be in stealth mode, and we won't hear from them.
So, anything we are likely to read, may not reflect the experience of many or most relatively healthy people experimenting with micro dosing.
Sacks records some really interesting stuff
With many patients, there seemed to be an increasingly narrow path between doses which were too low and which left them in a more parkinsonian rebound than before they started, and too high and with tics, racing thoughts urges, and into tourettes and even tripping
In some, thorazine ( which blocks dopamine receptors) brought the hallucinations to a swift end, in one or two, hallucinations carried on without respite for weeks and was unaffected by major psychiatric tranquillisers.
There was some really interesting stuff too. It seems like a lot of our pre human and perhaps pre primate ancestors behaviours are there latent in us.
At least two people could drink by lapping with their tongues, so fast that it was clearly an automatic thing, and not under any conscious control
There's also the chapter in "The man who mistook his wife for a hat" about a young doctor who was doing a lot of drugs, and temporarily activated a much more acute sense of smell, which lasted for about a week and In which smells took on a far greater meaning in his consiousness.
There are also discussions of incontinent recall, reminiscence and nostalgia - which are redolent of flashback and transports right into flashbacks. Sacks links these in with temporal lobe seizures as one source of reminiscence, and that ties in with a lot of Sebern Fisher's current stuff on neurofeedback In the treatment of trauma
On the bestial side. Sacks had been asked by visitors whether he was keeping animals for vivisection, such were the inhuman noises coming from some of the patients on the ward at the time.
Sadly Sacks died ( I think it was earlier this year), so there's no way to entice him into posting here.
The books are an interesting taster into the update downs of exciting the dopamine system.
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:wideeyed::wideeyed:Where on Earth do you find that kind of T.?!?!?!:wideeyed::wideeyed:
You realize that they are "recommending" an illegal substance and could be disciplined by their peers for even suggesting it, right?!
And where do they propose you acquire said substances?! ...from a drug dealer?!
And how can anyone trust what they are getting from said drug dealer?!
in a word....FENTANYL
I'm just shocked, I guess.:oops:
Over-reaction over.:sorry:
NB: the reader should not assume my position on psychedelics from this post...I don't intend on disclosing same. Btw, I am very familiar with MAPS.
@Panda Bear
:wideeyed::wideeyed:Where on Earth do you find that kind of T.?!?!?!:wideeyed::wideeyed:
You realize that they are "recommending" an illegal substance and could be disciplined by their peers for even suggesting it, right?!
And where do they propose you acquire said substances?! ...from a drug dealer?!
And how can anyone trust what they are getting from said drug dealer?!
in a word....FENTANYL
I'm just shocked, I guess.:oops:
Over-reaction over.:sorry:
NB: the reader should not assume my position on psychedelics from this post...I don't intend on disclosing same. Btw, I am very familiar with MAPS.
joeylittle
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Not if it was recommended/suggested in the context of entering one of the many studies being conducted on the relationship between various psychedelic drugs and various mental illnesses.
Neither of their posts got into that level of detail. So, no need to jump to conclusions.
Panda Bear
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Lol!
My Psychiatrist was just tossing out ideas, not that we would actually do It! But, in the context of medications and the difficulties I was having with any success at the time with medications, it was.....could be....if in the right studies, be an option.
Later, I went on to have a massive reaction to ketamine(from an in er sedation because of an injury I sustained to my hand that required massive stitching) And we learned that this method of treatment might not be for me ;).
In all honesty, she's honest and very knowledgeable about ALL possible options. She was educating me, and I appreciate it.
My Psychiatrist was just tossing out ideas, not that we would actually do It! But, in the context of medications and the difficulties I was having with any success at the time with medications, it was.....could be....if in the right studies, be an option.
Later, I went on to have a massive reaction to ketamine(from an in er sedation because of an injury I sustained to my hand that required massive stitching) And we learned that this method of treatment might not be for me ;).
In all honesty, she's honest and very knowledgeable about ALL possible options. She was educating me, and I appreciate it.
Some T's are preparing for what some believe will become the inevitable. The MDMA studies are coming up with astoundingly positive results in relieving the suffering of PTSD affected people.
MAPS - Reset: In 6 Years, MDMA Could Be A Legal Pharmaceutical For Therapy
MDMA (pure, not Molly or Ecstacy) can be manufactured with measurable accuracy. MAPS has not been testing with street drugs. This is a common misconception that seems to be pervasive amongst those who haven't researched this modality.
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I have read dozens of hours worth of MAPS research.
I know the purity of what they use.
I know the prelim. results of their short and longer term studies.
I know the political and professional resistance they face.
I know what studies they have in the pipeline and the monetary delays they are facing.
I also know EXACTLY the professional implications of a therapist or doctor discussing the use of a substance that is currently illegal. That's what happens when one serves, for YEARS, on a Disciplinary Committee.
Yes, MDMA and/or other substances may become legal at some point, in the future, BUT that does NOT change the ethical and legal responsibility of the clinician in the PRESENT.
And what I am proposing is that this information which is provided to clients could well provide them hope for the future.
I don't believe it is unethical or illegal to discuss a very well studied potential solution with clients.
Did I miss something? I don't recall a poster speaking to their T's about sourcing MDMA out from drug dealers.
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