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Is Narcissism A Virus? And Is It Infectious?

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^ That, and all the traits constituting personality disorders are simply human traits. Meaning present in everyone.

It's the matter of degree & expression of them & typical patterns of behaving that make a difference, not merely a presence of a cluster of traits.
 
A little clarification

The idea of looking for or finding narcissistic behaviour EVERY WHERE, has snook in. That's certainly not my intention in starting this thread. Please stop that tangent.

Narcissism is a spectrum, both of degree of the behaviour, and in the forms it takes. Plenty of people can be narcissistic, without it forming their entire personality and "who they are". In other words, they can behave narcissistically without qualifying for a diagnosis of personality disorder.

Shimmerz, I hugely appreciate and value your input here, unfortunately you've seen narcs more clearly and more closely than I have.

You (Shimmerz) are right, the worst narcs that ive spotted have used their narcissistic behaviour to further their careers, they triangulate, assassinating the characters and performance records of any who fall foul of them, to their higher management.

They blame shift and scapegoat, dumping the blame for their mistakes onto people below them, who either get fired on the spot, or certainly don't get to defend themselves in the meetings where the lies are told.

They bully, and dress it up as "getting the job done", "that's how you run an x" or "just having fun (so long as the victims are never uppity enough to give any crap back).

They gaslight and outright lie to cover their tracks.

They goad, and when the victim eventually reacts, that reaction is used to damn the victim, while the narc plays all righteous and hurt. The victim was too sensitive, mentally disturbed, clearly psychotic...

Even if narcissism is the entirety of a person's personality, if it is what they are;
When those shitty behaviours work, why would such a person ever end up diagnosed?
They don't and they generally won't.

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That's where the infectious part comes in,

If you are raised amongst such behaviour, or you work amongst it for years on end...

Perhaps ( as I used to do) you begin to see it as the way to be, the way to get on, how to get the job done, how to treat a partner, how to treat offspring and colleagues. It never did me any harm...

I'm not looking to victim blame, I'm looking for how ( as someone who's beginning to recognise these behaviours in my family of origin when I'm well into middle age) to spot these behaviours
How to avoid enabling them
And to understand how they have been passed on through many generations on all sides of my Family Of Origin

Perhaps Bram Stoker's Dracula novels are a bit strong, but there is a good analogy in there.

There are people who seek out narcs in order to serve and enable them

There are beautiful prey, who will let the narcs into their lives, an allow themselves to be fed upon by the narc.

Then there's the narc itself, often preened and well turned out, outwardly successful and perhaps superficially admirable, generous even.

But inside, it can only continue to exist by feeding on others, it has to have other people react to it, in admiration, in love, in fear,

It has to repeatedly inflict that grandiose self onto other people, and to punish any who do not react in the way that the narc needs them to in order to feed, and to temporarily fill some of that inner emptiness.

And it will continue to feed on or to belittle and punish as long as the victims will allow it to, and will provide it sustenance.
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What of the victims?

Even accepting the dangers and potential fallacies of reasoning by analogy, the Dracula analogy still seems good

Once the inner resources of the victims have been sucked out by the vampire, the victims themselves become empty, un dead and un living parasites

Is that how so many generations of my FOO became narcissistic?

Is that how I came to get jobs working with out and out bullying narcissistic managers? And to accept their behaviour as necessary, or just having a laugh, or the way that these things are done?

Is that why the males I used to be attracted to were narcissistic towards me?

And how much of it have I imbibed?
Have I just lived thus far without developing or understanding boundaries?
Or have I become infected with those memes, behaviours, attitudes?
Predictive text has just helped me here, am I infected with the malware? The virus?
 
Plenty of people can be narcissistic, without it forming their entire personality and "who they are


No personality disorder here, though my T told me that I have strong narcisstic characteristics. So, I am missing your point. I didnt know I needed therapy for a while, as I thought I am superior to others. I really, truly felt that people should be lucky to get to know me. I do feel empathy, but then again used it for my own good. I never understood why others thought they were special? They were just very ordinary.

This is no answer to your question, but still felt I need to write this. Long long hours of processing was needed to reduce that condition.
 
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I was married to one. No, he sees nothing wrong with himself. He is a product of bad parenting, childhood neglect, poverty, etc. What l hated the most was being reduced to a thing, a possession with no value. When l stop feeding him, after giving birth, things changed. I spent the last two years finding my self-worth and happiness. I don't have time or the urge to treat someone this way. I find l am looking for abusive behavior now, any abusive behavior, so that l may keep myself safe. It's not as bad as it was, but the Narc Discovery channel in my brain is on 24/7.
 
I have noticed narcissistic traits in myself at times and wondered if I had picked them up from my parents. I noticed them after I had experienced way too many negative things, including more traumatic events - and I was not that way as a child. It's as if over time, my only coping mechanism was to hate absolutely everyone and take advantage of some of them. It seems to come out in me when people piss me off :confused:

I grew up breathing in my father's second hand cannabis smoke, my mother was also breathing it in and she had M.E. for seven years. I wondered if that had some impact too. Over the years, my father became more and more selfish.
 
For me that feels almost like victim blaming - supporting people to maintain their own boundaries in re...

First l got upset about this but then you are correct! However, l think fake empathy, too much empathy, lack of empathy helps me sort into correct label, asshole, idiot, narc, lol.
 
Interesting to me as the ex-wife of a sex addict. Recent research shows we also have PTSD symptoms. Sex addicts are narcissists. If you are involved with them, run. Read Omar Minwalla's work.
 
Sex addicts are narcissists. If you are involved with them, run.

Oh hell yes. Well done finding out and getting out and thank you f having the courage to share. Sorry that you experienced it.:hug:
And welcome to the forum :)

Head of department one place I worked, was having an affair with the company lawyers secretary. One evening, heading back to his (at that stage still ignorant) wife and small kids after working shagging late, he flagged a woman down on the motorway to ask her out! It's a wonder she didn't crap herself.

The woman made a few enquiries with a friend of hers who worked for the company and the word leaked out.

Meanwhile the lawyer's secretary had her hands into the pants of the teenage college placement student...

Manager and legal secretary were both serious narcs, and both were very dangerous people to have anywhere nearby.

One of the things that got me thinking about starting this thread was seeing an unattractive loud middle aged narc flirting with and with his hands all over two young women working as waitresses at a very nice local hotel. The women seemed to humour him (poor women, they've probably been trained from birth to please narcs):sick::sick::sick:. Standing up, the top of his head would probably be level with the women's chests!

So yes yes yes, ostentatious flirting, groping, womanising, letching, perving... pretty good signs that you're looking at a narc.
 
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