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News New Term: Completed Suicide Vs. Comitted Suicide

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These are sad times when people get upset over something as trivial as words whilst little Palestinian kids get blown up.

And if I get upset about the child in Palestine, does that mean I don't care about the Syrian refugees or the airport shooting in Ft. Lauderdale or the death of my pet?

See, the cool thing about the human brain is that it can process many different things at once and (at least for some of us) experience different levels of feelings over events and opinions. And (again for some of us) we can experience enough perspective and self knowledge to recognize that a conversation over the use of language is certainly not equivalent to a child being killed.

In addition to that, I don't believe we truly die, only our material body is gone and our souls live on.

This is an interesting non sequitur. I personally don't believe this but don't think it has any bearing on the conversation.
 
When I talk about tyhings like terminology or academic matters I don't get upset about them. In a case like this one, when I look at it from a personal point of view, it's nothing about the word and everything about the people who say: "I couldn't successfully kill myself." It's being upset about their pain. It's being angry at people who think that that is such a trivial thing it should be ignored. That that kind of pain should be ignored simply because it isn't personally relevant. It's anger at people who don't care enough to be sensitive about their talking to other people and so, contribute to the darkness they're already drowning in. That kind of self absorption and callousness really *really* pisses me off. I think that's an entirely worthy thing to be upset about, if one even needs to begin to have to validate what they feel based on someone else's metric (which is also a thing that adds to the darkness of people-being told that your feelings have to be valid to someone else to matter. Don't do that anymore.)

What are they initiating? They are initiating-starting-to kill themselves. That is obvious by the statement "to initiate suicide" and the fact that suicide is the act of killing oneself. My apologies, I thought it was obvious.

I have already stated up thread that I am not including physician assisted suicide because that is a whole other set of circumstances, with a variety of it's own specific complications.

And, also as stated upthread: give me one example of common or popular use of having completed something that wasn't seen as getting something unpleasant over and done with. Again upthread: we don't complete a vacation-we come home. We don't complete a book-we finish it. We don't complete a meal-also, we finish it. We complete a task, an assignment a *something unpleasant we want over and done*. That is is the use of complete. Thus, seeing suicide as a way to "complete" a life means that life is one of those unpleasant things we want over and done with. Which is accurate only if we're talking to someone who died from suicide. The dead person doesn't care.

The survivors however, hear it and can sympathize and become the dead people. That's the problem. Sure it's accurate for the dead victim, but once they're dead, using the accurate term for them does nothing for them and does negative things for those who aren't dead and we can do something about. We should not be telling those who aren't dead that life is unpleasant, or even implying it. Instead we should be implying that suicide is something you do, indeed commit and commit to-there isn't much more committed than dying for it.

And lastly: if you wanted any kind of respect for your use of language you lost it when you used merriam webster as a vocabulary reference. Noone who specializes in vocabulary, written communication or etymology would be caught dead with one of those even at the bottom of their closet-unless it's emergency toilet paper.
 
And, also as stated upthread: give me one example of common or popular use of having completed something that wasn't seen as getting something unpleasant over and done with.
I gave you three examples, @J'qel. You say you disagree with them - which indicates to me that you aren't interested in understanding any other point of view except your own, here.

I'm not sure why you are the arbiter of what is accurate according to common or popular use. Are you Noam Chomsky in disguise? Do you have any real evidence to bear that your interpretation of the word 'completed' is the only available one? Which school of thought in linguistics are you referencing when you make this argument you are trying to make, about suicide, over and over again?

If you want to make a successful academic argument, then at least do us all the favor of doing it well.
When I talk about tyhings like terminology or academic matters I don't get upset about them.
It's anger at people who don't care enough to be sensitive about their talking to other people and so, contribute to the darkness they're already drowning in. That kind of self absorption and callousness really *really* pisses me off.
You don't see that you are doing this, do you?
 
To me, "completed" is a neutral term.

If I complete a round of golf, am I...
- thrilled, because I'm a hack and that's not the way I want to spend my time;
- satisfied and pleased, since I played well and feel like I achieved something; or
- unhappy, because now thats over I have to go back to work?

If I complete my medical treatment, am I...
- ecstatic, because the treatment was challenging but now I may be better;
- devastated, because the treatment failed and it was my last option; or
- ... a thousand different scenarios and emotions

I see the significance as coming from the individual value and meaning we place on the thing that was completed, and not so much on the "completing".
 
What are they initiating? They are initiating-starting-to kill themselves. That is obvious by the statement "to initiate suicide" and the fact that suicide is the act of killing oneself. My apologies, I thought it was obvious.

That doesn't even make sense. If I attempted suicide but failed (as you are replacing the word attempted) then you you aren't "starting" to kill yourself, you tried and failed.

Sorry, but "initiate" doesn't fit.

And lastly: if you wanted any kind of respect for your use of language you lost it when you used merriam webster as a vocabulary reference. Noone who specializes in vocabulary, written communication or etymology would be caught dead with one of those even at the bottom of their closet-unless it's emergency toilet paper.

:roflmao:

I don't specialize in vocabulary but at least I know "initiated" doesn't replace "attempted" in respect to "tried" to kill oneself and failed.

ETA: You can use any dictionary you want to and it still doesn't fit.
 
Commit is the common vernacular. In psychiatry/psychology, 'completed' is much more common. It's s...
I thought "completing suicide" has been the technical term for at least a decade now, but people still say "commit".

Its kind of like people with severe mental disabilities are now being referred to as intellectually or mentally challenged rather than "mentally retarded", even though lots of people still use the latter term in a technical context.
 
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