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Emotional Incest And Unspeakable Truths

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I don't see my therapist again until next week but I've come to the point where I need to "speak" my unspeakable.

Emotional incest from my mother is but one of the traumas in my life. Mom sat in the kitchen and watched TV- my dad did the same in the living room. I'd sit with my mom (as far back/young as I can remember) and she'd pour out the horror stories of her childhood with an alcoholic father and physically abusive mother. She'd tell me about all the problems she and my dad had and enlist me on her side in their arguments. I remember even as a young child feeling like in a way I was her husband-trying to hug away her pain and wipe away her tears. She'd latch onto me like I was a life preserver and she was drowning. As a 7 year I felt so helpless and useless, but she insisted that I was helping her.

We were so codependent and enmeshed in ways there isn't room to share here and I'm not ready anyway.

This continued through my adolescent years. As an adult living away from "home" I stopped after work every day for a couple of years and we often repeated the scenario. When that stopped (my then wife said she wanted to have a child-not marry one) we continued this "tradition" when mom was in the hospital and I visited her alone.

She'd taught ME NOT to cry when I was hurt by bullies and/or angry. My tears and anger were treated like, to use Pete Walker's phrase, "capital crimes" and I learned to keep it all inside.

The last time she was in the hospital she said she was ready to die and the rest of the family tried to convince her she could get well and life was worth living. I told her I would not try to dissuade her from her feelings or decision. I saw in her eyes that she knew what I knew- that her suffering was so great and insurmountable she could stand it no longer. She smiled at me in a way I’d never seen before. It was a moment beyond any intimacy I can imagine. How much closer can a person get than understanding the totality of another’s suffering, stand beside them looking into that abyss together, and say without hesitation or regret, "I release you- Nobody else will, but I give you permission to die."

At her funeral I wanted to cry but I couldn't make myself. I was sure everyone was watching me and wondering what heartless, soul-less son sits stone-faced and dry-eyed at his mother's service. I felt so guilty and ashamed.

I come now to speak my unspeakable, what I’ve known for decades- it’s not a recovered memory, just something I notice sometimes and exile to a dark corner of my mind.

Ever since I was a teenager I’ve had an occasional but recurrent dream. I am an adolescent boy-alienated, unattractive, and too shy to even ask a girl out. In these nightmares mom offers to have sex with me because I can’t get it anywhere else and she doesn’t want me with anyone else, and we do. In addition to the stew of lust, disgust, and shame, there is the terror of worrying that Dad will come home and catch us. Sometimes in the ordeal Dad does catch us and it’s me that he chases and tries to kill.

Pretty Freudian, huh?! And pretty f-up, too. Okay, Oedipus complex and all that, but boys grow out of that, right?

And it gets worse.

Recently I’ve become attracted to role-playing porn video clips of mother and son. Both are obviously, undisputedly adults, but I am sickened and disgusted by what I am attracted to.

I’m not sure if there’s a way beyond our enmeshment to ridding myself of these disgusting dreams and fetish, but I imagine that if there is a way it involves acknowledging that I have these nightmares and fetish and exploring the unhealthy aspects of our relationship that, pun intended, spawned them.

I hope I can bring myself to speak these words, this truth, next week. And I apologize if I've offended or triggered anyone here.
 
A) Don't worry about triggering people here. This is a space to talk about trauma. Everyone has the option of not reading, navigating to a different site, or simply stepping away from the screen.

B) What you wrote took a lot of courage. That type of vulnerability--speaking one's truths--is not easy. It's hard work. Good on you for that emotional heavy lifting. I hope you are able to be honest with your T.

C) I don't think the dreams and porn aspect is unusual for someone who has weathered a life with such an inappropriate relationship. I was the victim of incest, and I think these problems are fairly common amongst incest survivors, no matter if sexual abuse by contact was not involved.

I hope you find tons of support, both here and in therapy. You absolutely deserve it.
 
You were so brave to share this. Many of us here know your suffering and please know your therapist is there to help hold your pain. You may feel shame but none of this was your fault. It also helps to share your story rather than continuing to hide. Sending healing thoughts.
 
Thank you. I know my therapist would be supportive- I'm just not sure I can say the words. I might take my journal entry and read it to her.

I can't even imagine what my wife would think if she knew- I know secrets are not good for a relationship, but how the hell do you offload this pile of crap?
 
I shared a lot in writing for the same reason. Giving voice is very heavy and emotional.

If your wife is compassionate, it may help her to gain a better understanding of the difficulties you faced and any issues you may have in relationship. But you don't need to share that now. One step at a time.
 
Thank you, Vedonu- As much trouble as I've had "telling" myself about this, I know the next step is with a therapist who is compassionate but not as involved with me as my wife. I know I'm not saying that right, but I hope it gets the idea across. I'm starting to feel numb and my mind is going a little blank. I guess what I was aiming for was the word more objective, or something close to that.
 
I read this because of the title. I can only say thank you because I totally get it.

Fwiw, it's more common than people know, but I know. So no T would be shocked. I also know the shame is not yours to own.The fantasies are not as odd as you think, it's the only connotation to love, and making things right. I think also like abuse or assault, and violence, just, it's that way. Wires get crossed, it won't be forever.They were roles we never should have been put in. Not the least of which was being adults when we were children, without the boundary violations. MHO, anyway. I'm very sorry. :(

I find some of the worst is knowing if others knew its worse than just living with it. It can feel like betrayal to even view it as inappropriate. Your wife may know, or sense it. Unless you married someone exactly like your mother. The only man who cared for me (I think) later was 20+ years my senior. I could never figure out why he wasn't a father figure, until I realized it wasn't right, what was happening as a daughter.

Thank you for the courage to post then I had the courage to post.
 
Ababe, I too commend your bravery. I recognise this kind of relationship and am ashamed to say that in my case I was the perpertrator.
I fell into a deep dark depression at 17 and my little brother, who had always looked up to me and loved me, became my emotional crutch. I was kind of like his mother as our own mother was mentally ill.
He listened to my suicidsl fantasies and all my dark thoughts, and it f*cked him up.
He hated me for many years and I never understood why, but I got wiser and I realised I did to him what your mother did to you.
Too close, and too dependent on my brothers love and support.
My brother and I are okay again now since I understood my role.
Apart from this confession (!) I wanted to say, although I realise I was wrong I never meant to hurt him. I loved him - perhaps too much, like your mother. Yes, too much!
Life is weird. Yes, emotional incest!
Maybe this is not that uncommon in troubled families where you turn inwards instead of outwards to keep things private/secret?
I know it's not healthy
 
This isn't your fault. You are very brave for sharing this.
 
Very brave for you to share this. As a child I was the parental loss in. Had to listen to both of theme support, encourage..fill in the gaps they had with each other.

I was also being molested by the sperm donar (you will never hear me call him dad!) and my older brother.
So I absolutely understand! Since I had no childhood I have been an adult my whole life.

Thank you for sharing this.
You can take your journal or this post to your T. you do not have to say it aloud for it to be heard.
 
Thanks again for so many supportive responses. My inner critic had told me if people even made it through the whole original post they'd be grossed out and go elsewhere-even though my mind knows this community is not like that.

Pete Walker's book talks of anger as being the first step- but how can I be angry at someone who was so damaged and suffering so much as my mother? I know she did not mean to hurt me, and I'm truly not angry with her.

Compounding the issue is that, like so many men, I married someone quite a bit like my mother- physically, emotionally, and mentally similar to my mother.

I've wound up not having sex with my wife for over two years because sometimes it seems like... well, I think you can guess.
 
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