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Explainable anxiety or just abuse with no future

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Lady of Longbourn

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I haven't been here much lately. My PTSD symptoms are much better then they used to be and I don't have the same issues with depression or anxiety anymore. Now it's my current relationship I am having problems with and it's starting to cause sleep problems and heighten anxiety and worry. I'm starting to feel a little worried about my mental health too, I'm more isolated then normal right now and I don't like that.

It's unusual for me because it the flip side of the coin. I've never been depended on like I am now (where I am the breadwinner) and I've never been living with someone who had what looks like very bad anxiety.

I'm not sure what to think right now. Love is not enough, our "bond" wont save us. I am happy when he comes home, happy to wake up next to him and then disappointed when he starts yelling or says something mean (probably belittling), we can go days or about a week between or sometimes just a couple of hours. A clear example was tonight, he comes home for a long day at work, tired. I put dinner together. He works on and off and it's a labor job. There is no cold water in the fridge for him, because I used it for cooking and I foolishly didn't replace it in time to get cold enough for him, so he says "You were home all f*cking day and you couldn't put water in the fridge??!" Things are often my fault. Things I don't even think of or realize are often my fault and that hurts my self esteem and makes me feel slow.

Well, I know this is not acceptable behavior. I know it's not a good idea to expect your partner to mind read or figure out your every need before you even know it. It's not even their job to figure out your needs. I know it's not good that I am sitting there with my mouth open, my appetite gone and all that food I cooked wasted because that was the last thing I was expecting to be yelled at (or maybe it's talked down too? I'm not sure, just little put downs or things that make me feel upset and stupid for not "thinking of it first" even though I know I just couldn't 'think' of it all) and the fact that I can't response. I say nothing to defend myself. I say nothing to tell him that he can not treat me like that. In fact, I do what I know is bad and I hide. Not responding and hiding= a great way of saying sure keep treating me like that. I will be passive.

But then I feel like I can't stand up for myself!


I notice that I have starting trying to think of what just might piss him off and fix it before he sees, or get tense when doing something that I know he gets mad often doing (like driving, traveling, put activity here etc) or feel worried that I will wake up to him yelling about something. Or use the wrong sponge and get yelled at because I didn't realize he had a secret sponge system and I somehow just should.

I had that neglectful childhood. That distance mother, that tolerated abuse of neglect and then starting treating me like that to fit in with her partner. That controlling, emotionally abusive father. I know the signs. My SO's was not much better, only his mother passed away young and so I often look at him and think that it's like he just didn't learn how to cope with change. Change scares him shitless, like lots of people here. Just no copping skills at all.

I also know that fights are normal. I know being angry is normal every once in awhile. Sometimes you just don't see eye to eye or something things gets said but Abuse is not acceptable. But I've also had anxiety before, that caused me to lash out and just say things that were probably not much better. My ex though was also abusive in his own way, so I was reacting to the anxiety and PTSD I guess.

So I know what it looks like. The anxiety. Waiting in the post office line and people are everywhere. People bumping into you and phones going off and it feels stifling. And then the anxiety comes out.

I've been there. But it's not okay to just put down your partner. It's not okay that something falls into the printer and breaks it and the your partner blames you, because its your fault you didn't put it on a table (no room...) and then just starts screaming because "Now we have to f*cking buy another printer because YOU can't just..." and blames you and then he breaks the printer and blames you. It was already broken and yeah, I also shook it a bit but that feeling of seeing the printer glass everywhere and pieces everywhere...well that's just, different. Shocking. I didn't smash the thing to bits with glass raining down. I remember I felt the blood drain from my face and I wondered how far this was going to go one day, surely this is the beginning?

This really makes everything sound so negative. And like I should just know what to do. It's not. It's not always like that. It's not without remorse on his part. It's not without him realizing that it's wrong. Not without him often seeing the guilt on his face and just realizing he can't say/do that. And I am not excusing the behavior. I'm trying to make sense of it. It reminds me of how my anxiety was, I had the same guilty face and the same I'm sorry excuses.


Change comes with compassion, understanding and learning to control the anxiety and being able to understand the emotions. When he gets angry, says things that make me heart twist, I have to find a way to move on and forgive him. To not feel resentful all the time. And there is a point where I can't just keep saying "Oh well, it's your anxiety..." because sometimes it's just abuse and I can not be like my mother who tolerates the abuse!

What is the line between anxiety and just emotional/verbal abuse. I didn't even put a questions mark because it sounds dumb. Every time something happens, I have to explain it in my head. Excuse it somehow and forgive him. And like I told him tonight I can't just keep forgiving you for what just keeps happening. It's the point where apologizing doesn't mean much, even though I know he means them. Every time I have to find a way to move on from it and now the line is more gray between explainable anxiety and just abuse with no future.
 
Every time something happens, I have to explain it in my head. Excuse it somehow and forgive him
Maybe because you haven’t forgiven yourself?

So you explain his behaviors with your own reasons/causes, then forgive him yourself.

Except he isn’t you. And this isn’t in the past. It’s not paying penance to live through someone else treating you like you learned not to treat others. You already did that work. You’re not obligated to live through it all over, again, with someone who may not even be doing these things for the reasons you’re excusing. Nor ever be interested in changing. (You know what they say about getting into relationships thinking that they’ll change, right?)

Done something different but similar... and it’s the part I quoted above that screams it. My Schtick wasn’t explain/forgive... but the same durn pattern. Seeing myself in someone else, and instead of treating them like themselves, treating them like me. :confused: Sometimes, tbh, it worked. Others? I was not only wrong, but dead wrong. Which is the huge danger in not seeing someone for who they are, but for who you want them to be.
 
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He definitely sounds abusive to me, you shouldn't stay with him. Your description of him reminds me of my nightmare ex. He acted similarly, though he also did a lot of physical and sexual assault. Emotional abuse can be really bad, though. It can really f*ck with your head and mess with your behaviors.

Do you have anywhere you can go, or any way to get him out of your life somehow? You really shouldn't stay with him, it's only going to hurt you if he behaves like that.
 
explainable anxiety and just abuse with no future.
"Abuse" can be a response to feeling anxious but they aren't the same thing.

If his abusive behavior is a response to anxiety he needs to learn better ways to handle his anxiety, to be in a healthy relationship. This is exactly like if your PTSD symptoms are causing relationship issues. Your symptoms, your responsibility to deal with them.

I guess my thought would be to tell him that and see what he does. I'm not real optimistic, but he might get himself some help and clean up his act. If he does, fine. If he doesn't? I think your going to have to either deal with this, and worse, for the rest of your life or get out. (Sorry!)
 
I notice that I have starting trying to think of what just might piss him off and fix it before he sees, or get tense when doing something that I know he gets mad often doing (like driving, traveling, put activity here etc) or feel worried that I will wake up to him yelling about something. Or use the wrong sponge and get yelled at because I didn't realize he had a secret sponge system and I somehow just should.

This is scary. This is what a domestic violence relationship looks like. When your life begins to center on what might upset your partner and how you can prepare to defuse it you have a major problem on your hands.

What is the line between anxiety and just emotional/verbal abuse. I didn't even put a questions mark because it sounds dumb. Every time something happens, I have to explain it in my head. Excuse it somehow and forgive him. And like I told him tonight I can't just keep forgiving you for what just keeps happening.

Not the same thing.
Anxiety means you are afraid of something and it makes you anxious
Abuse means you are afraid of something and you take your aggression out on someone to feel better

A suggestion: Get ahold of your local YWCA or call a domestic violence hotline. Explain to them what you have said in this post. And LISTEN to their response.
 
This is scary. This is what a domestic violence relationship looks like. When your life begins to center on what might upset your partner and how you can prepare to defuse it you have a major problem on your hands
Yep.

This was a really hard one for me @Ayesha... because I’m used to taking care of people, and I’m used to anticipating what someone needs/wants, or what a situation needs/wants in order to direct the course of it. Both professionally & personally.

It took me a long time to see the difference between doing that to make something hard for someone else easier, and doing it to protect myself from their response. :wtf:

The easiest way for me to SEE the difference inside of it? Moxie. Chutzpah. Sense of self. <<< I still had those things in spades when I was just doing what I do, bringing order to chaos & making hard things easy. Inside of abuse? I started losing those things, going flat, building walls / emotionally distancing myself from the person, the situation, & myself. Bad juju.

Maybe worse, I’ve found it happens outside of abuse, now, too... in certain kinds of unequal relationships. The person themselves doesn’t have to have an abusive bone in their body, they simply exhaust me dealing with them... so I start shunting energy into protecting myself from having to deal with them. Because it’s just not worth the effort. And, same, I start losing what makes me, me. Joie de Vivre, chutzpah, moxie... all of it just starts getting blunted, muted, apathetic.

Neither are ways I want to live.

The second group, I can still have relationships with... if I do it in very small pieces. Many members of my family & a few friends/lovers fall into this category. We can have a banging relationship & truly enjoy each other with them being them, and me being me... as long as I don’t spend too much time with them. It’s an integrity issue with me. I can’t maintain my own personal integrity / my boundaries start shifting and blurring / I start kicking into self-protection mode & losing myself. Not their fault, it’s just a side effect from having lived in abuse for too long.

What I’ve learned is it doesn’t really matter if they are abusive or if I am responding as if it was abusive... I can’t change THEM by changing myself. It just doesn’t work that way. But it’s still my knee-jerk to attempt to. :wtf: Which means I need to exit stage left. Forever if it’s them, until I can sort myself if it’s me, and then proceed very cautiously. Because whether it’s them, or it’s me, I AM being affected.

I think the major difference pre-abuse & post-abuse is that before I did ^^^ that ^^^ (this isn’t working for me, it’s not you it’s me, etc.) rather instinctively. Post abuse? I want to cling on for dear life and FIX... ummm... wait. Dammit. Yeah. :facepalm: It doesn’t work that way. Dammit.

Don’t know if any of this helps. Just sharing personal experience.
 
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He is a classic selfish abuser. Your story reads like you’re dealing with a child. I mean, has he never heard of ice cubes? Making a carafe of water into a violation of your safety is abusive. If you are trying to plan your defense in advancce of the next incident, that is an unreasonable stress for you. His tantrums will escalate, your sense of safety will dissolve and you’ll go to the ER because you’re suicidal. Been there done that. You’re the breadwinner? So you work all day and come home and make a nice dinner and what’s he doing to contribute to the household? He sounds like a freeloader. Danger. Showing you that he has no shame in breaking to pieces a printer is his way of saying, you’re next. Danger. Does he only get day jobs once in awhile? Does he have any ambition to make a nice life? Or does he go from woman to woman, living off them and using aggression to paralyze you and then making you feel like you’re the problem. You are NOT the problem. If he can’t even problem solve how to make a glass of water cold, then there’s no hope he can figure out how to have a healthy relationship. Kick him out and the minute he forbids you to call the police, run don’t walk to the police station. You have worked so long on your mental health. You deserve an equal partnership. You deserve to be safe. You deserve help around the house. Get rid of him. If he gives you a sob story about having nowhere to go, tell him to get out. If you feel your safety is being compromised call the police.
 
@Ayesha If you feel the relationship is worth salvaging, then couples counseling is a must. Each of you may want to set some boundaries and also some guidelines for dealing with conflict. In his case walking away and cooling off before he addresses what is bothering him is imperative.

There is nothing inherently wrong with anticipating the needs of others when it is done in the spirit of love, without fear. Having children, anticipating their needs seemed to be as natural as breathing when they were infants and toddlers, when they were ill, or their needs and my husbands needs just because I love them and want to do something special or extra.

I was in an abusive marriage and sometimes the worst part was trying to anticipate what I needed to do so I could keep the peace. There were never clear cut rules, like your sponge example, and the stress of always walking on egg shells wore me down. In the early days I fought back verbally, but then when things escalated I learned to keep my mouth shut. That is no way to live.

Conflict can arise in any relationship and personally I suck at conflict and am still learning. Figure out what you need and you want in your relationship and your life, and see if he is receptive to working on making things better. Only you know what you can and cannot live with and whether or not he is willing and able to make the change that will benefit both of you.
 
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