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Is Rambling speech during every therapy session dissociation or common? T doesn't seem to like it...

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Hey everyone, I'm new here.

Every therapy session I have, T asks me how I am and as soon as I start talking, I can't stop anxiously rambling and venting almost the entire hour, but I'm not even sure of what I'm saying. It's just coming out of me. It's not a conversation and at times I don't feel in my body or grounded.

I bounce from topic to topic to topic, which are related (but only to me), so it seems erratic from the outside I'm sure. Sometimes I realize what's happening - like I can hear myself speak but I still can't stop saying whatever it is I'm saying or I realize afterwards and get really really embarrassed.

I've had this happen at home when I'm upset or angry but it's *every* session and besides feeling like I'm crazy, I'm totally ashamed and can't find anything about it as a symptom online.

My T has tried to interrupt me but it hasn't really worked if it's really bad. I even mentioned I can't seem to stop and she said from her point of view, her eyes just glaze over when I'm talking like that.

Her comment triggered me right away and she saw that it did. I went quiet and somewhere else somehow. The next few days at home, I felt like I was 11-13 years old again and stayed in bed. I'm wondering if that's a type of flashback.

I don't know how to 1. Stop the rambling speech, or find more info about it and 2. Tell my T that her comment made me debate seeing her again (I'm not sure I want to go back) because she wasn't listening and judged me and that sets back trust + safety (even though I bet it's tough from her perspective).

Thoughts?
 
You pretty much described the majority of sessions. I'm like a ping pong ball on crack some days. the more upset I am the worse it gets. After a couple years I have been able to focus more but some days I'm still like that.
she said from her point of view, her eyes just glaze over when I'm talking like that.
This is concerning. Your T should be listening to everything you say - so that she can pick up what you are really saying underneath all the bouncing around.

2. Tell my T that her comment made me debate seeing her again (I'm not sure I want to go back) because she wasn't listening and judged me and that sets back trust + safety
Yes. Because it is completely unprofessional. If this is truly what she is thinking then you might want to find someone who is better at the job.

(even though I bet it's tough from her perspective).
It's her job. If she can't handle it that is on her - not you.
 
You pretty much described the majority of sessions. I'm like a ping pong ball on crack some days. the more upset I am the worse it gets. After a couple years I have been able to focus more but some days I'm still like that.

So it probably is a PTSD response? It sure feels like it. The shame and embarrassment after is awful. Did you do anything specific to manage it or it just calmed as time went on? I feel like I'm not really doing anything productive or learning anything in therapy because it's just me rambling and then the session is over.

Yes. Because it is completely unprofessional. If this is truly what she is thinking then you might want to find someone who is better at the job.

Thank you, I really appreciate your perspective. She's been the best T I've found so far, but maybe she isn't the one if that's how she responds to my rambling/if I'm having an out of body, out of my window of tolerance response while talking? Will anyone though? What if my rambling is so bad I don't even know how bad... ??‍♀️

But, I'm not sure I'll be able to trust her moving forward now either way, not that I did yet but I wanted to at least.

Again, thank you. ??
 
I have found when my anxiety is thru the roof I talk nonstop. This just happened Thursday doing an intake with a new doctor. For physical reasons, not PTSD. The poor nurse did manage to interrupt a few times and get me back on track. But she WAS listening.

Please let your T know that her comment upset you. It was unprofessional for her to say that. If you have been seeing her for a while, she should pick up that it's anxiety and try to get you to focus and slow down.

I know it would have upset me if the nurse had said her eyes were glazing over. I still need to be heard, even if I am rambling. Sorry, this happened. Her response, not your talking. That's what you are there for!!
 
I do this sometimes when I’m not okay. I used to do it a lot, and it was frustrating for both me and my T because it was inevitably completely unproductive. I went away exhausted and no less healthy, and my T just got hit with a verbal tonne of bricks that they had no chance of sorting through, much less helping me with.

My go-to now when I’m not okay, is to go in with dot points. How I have been, issues I need to talk about, things my T needs to know (like SH, or medication side effects, or that I just got made homeless, etc). Write it down, hand it over. I leave knowing that regardless of what comes out of my mouth, I’ve communicated something helpful. Usually that’s enough to set up a more productive appointment.

Sounds to me like you and your T could potentially benefit from some relaxation and grounding practice. Relaxation, forcing your body into a sense of calm, is something you can teach yourself (tonne of different ways), and would potentially set you up for a more productive session if used both before and throughout the session (and definitely, definitely afterwards).

And perhaps the generic opener “How are you going?” isn’t helpful for you atm (it’s rarely helpful for me!). That’s something you could write down for your T. Like, “Instead of open-ended questions like, ‘How are you’, could you please try and ask me more specific questions to help me stay on point”.
 
How are you outside of therapy? You are expelling a lot of info that you have been carrying around in sort of anxious way. The comment from the therapist about glazing over is not good but without your relationship dynamics and context of the moment hard to say.
Aside ptsd, why are you in therapy? Is there something you want to improve and what is it?

I think you need to evacuate something and eventually you will come back the body and engage the therapist. If it helps you can start with making this your process. Hi therapist I will do my speech until I am ready to engage. By owning this it will bring it to the body and present and empower you as well. You need this until you do not.
 
My shrink was pretty rigid about this topic... we had several discussions during therapy about how it is important to pause instead of fill the space with noise and chatter. I decided that made sense and my therapeutic time was best spent using the safe space to practice and learn how to cope and then reliable do what he was askin' me to learn. Learning how to manage the resultant emotive responses post session is also part of the process. The whole thing is about acquiring the skill sets to COPE. At first in the therapeutic process, then with yourself, then ultimately in your relations and real life situations.
 
Did you do anything specific to manage it or it just calmed as time went on?
You assume it's stopped! :laugh:
I don't do it as much because I've learned better coping skills but I still do it. It's a good indication of how upset I am and sometimes we have to just let me run out of steam and pick it up at the next session. It's not something you should be embarassed about. It's just a maladaptive coping mechanism that you need to work on. And that's why I'm annoyed with your T -- she should be helping you learn how to slow down and talk - not ignoring you
but maybe she isn't the one if that's how she responds to my rambling/if I'm having an out of body, out of my window of tolerance response while talking? Will anyone though? What if my rambling is so bad I don't even know how bad... ??‍♀️
Is she a trauma therapist? That might be what you need.

There is another thing to think about. Did she actually say that or is that what you heard? I've done this a couple (dozen) times with my T. I leave her office just sure that she said something insulting, only to find out the next week that it was my cognitive distortion kicking in. So hopefully talking with her will help

The whole thing is about acquiring the skill sets to COPE. At first in the therapeutic process, then with yourself, then ultimately in your relations and real life situations.
This^^^^ If she can't do this then you need to find someone who can.
 
I too was guilty of the once I started talking I couldn't stop and never really knew what I was saying and while it all made sense to me made it hard for others to follow. It is still a struggle for me outside of therapy. In fact when I know I have an important meeting where my responses and interactions must be more focused I take a xanax to help with the anxiety. Honestly, it is the only way I can get through job application and interview processes as well.

My last therapist was awesome though and really helped me get this more in control during our sessions. It was like he could see the mental train racing down the tracks in my head out of control and he would find a way to get my attention ( I am terrible at eye contact) and show me ways to slow my breathing which would help pull me out of the run away train discussion. I agree this is an anxiety response (don't know if it only applies to ptsd) and one that for me can be very difficult because I don't know what I am saying.
 
I have engaged in this sort of broadcasting communication because it was a way to control the situation.

If I'm talking at you then I don't have to be vulnerable and receptive. It feels safer to be sending information than slowing down to receive something that I may not expect or want to hear.

In a lot of therapy situations the provider giving feedback about how we come across is part of the process as it gives us insight into what may be happening outside of therapy as well. But if you are new to therapy, or new to this therapist, or have never had a therapist do that it can be jarring. It often is for me. If I am feeling especially longing for support and validation it can make me angry too like what am I even paying you for.

I hope you can figure out what you want to do here.
 
Please let your T know that her comment upset you. It was unprofessional for her to say that. If you have been seeing her for a while, she should pick up that it's anxiety and try to get you to focus and slow down.

She's on vacation, so I have some time to process and figure out what to say - but I think talking to her is probably the best next step. If that goes badly, then I will take some time for myself and decide if I want to continue.

I do this sometimes when I’m not okay. I used to do it a lot, and it was frustrating for both me and my T because it was inevitably completely unproductive. I went away exhausted and no less healthy, and my T just got hit with a verbal tonne of bricks that they had no chance of sorting through, much less helping me with.

I think this ^^ is what she meant, glazing over like as being on the receiving end of my 0-60 activated response of rambling, opinions, etc for people who would be hearing it in the world. And *I* totally feel the same: unproductive, exhausted with no tools when I leave - which is leaving me embarrassed instead of working through a problem.

My go-to now when I’m not okay, is to go in with dot points. How I have been, issues I need to talk about, things my T needs to know (like SH, or medication side effects, or that I just got made homeless, etc). Write it down, hand it over.

I've been thinking of writing her lists of things I want her to know and give them to her, but then I felt dumb so I haven't done it. You mentioning it, I don't feel so weird. Maybe it's actually the right way to go.

Sounds to me like you and your T could potentially benefit from some relaxation and grounding practice. Relaxation, forcing your body into a sense of calm, is something you can teach yourself (tonne of different ways), and would potentially set you up for a more productive session if used both before and throughout the session (and definitely, definitely afterwards).

I LOVE this. I think this could be a really great tool. Ground and breathing to start and end the appointment. It's worth a try at least.

And perhaps the generic opener “How are you going?” isn’t helpful for you atm (it’s rarely helpful for me!). That’s something you could write down for your T. Like, “Instead of open-ended questions like, ‘How are you’, could you please try and ask me more specific questions to help me stay on point”.

Thank you so much for your advice, tips and insight. You're incredibly helpful and I really appreciate it. I think having a plan for the appointments would be great.

How are you outside of therapy? You are expelling a lot of info that you have been carrying around in sort of anxious way. I think you need to evacuate something and eventually you will come back the body and engage the therapist.

I think I have everything sitting there waiting to come out so when I see her I just go and go and go or when I get upset/angry at home. I don't have support or an outlet otherwise and am recovering from an 18 month stuck in bed back injury (not trauma-related), and this rambling started since my injury after dozens of really terrible healthcare appointments. Thank you for your questions to help me figure this out.

My shrink was pretty rigid about this topic... we had several discussions during therapy about how it is important to pause instead of fill the space with noise and chatter. I decided that made sense and my therapeutic time was best spent using the safe space to practice and learn how to cope and then reliable do what he was askin' me to learn. Learning how to manage the resultant emotive responses post session is also part of the process. The whole thing is about acquiring the skill sets to COPE. At first in the therapeutic process, then with yourself, then ultimately in your relations and real life situations.

This is the part that's missing. I'm going in and talking and talking but time runs out before we can get to much education, coping or tools. When I ask how to fix it, she says awareness is the first step but we haven't gotten much further. I'm aware, but also pretty jumpy so maybe she is just trying to go slow.

I too was guilty of the once I started talking I couldn't stop and never really knew what I was saying and while it all made sense to me made it hard for others to follow. It is still a struggle for me outside of therapy. In fact when I know I have an important meeting where my responses and interactions must be more focused I take a xanax to help with the anxiety. Honestly, it is the only way I can get through job application and interview processes as well.

I completely understand this. I'm glad you have something to take for those situations.

I have engaged in this sort of broadcasting communication because it was a way to control the situation.

If I'm talking at you then I don't have to be vulnerable and receptive. It feels safer to be sending information than slowing down to receive something that I may not expect or want to hear.

This feels true, if I'm talking about "everything" that's going on and ALL the things I'm feeling/observing - then I'm not talking about any one thing in depth and keeping myself more safe. Parts of me want to go to therapy, do all the work right away so I can get to the other side, feel better and then other parts are like 'that's cute you want therapy... no.'

In a lot of therapy situations the provider giving feedback about how we come across is part of the process as it gives us insight into what may be happening outside of therapy as well. But if you are new to therapy, or new to this therapist, or have never had a therapist do that it can be jarring. It often is for me. If I am feeling especially longing for support and validation it can make me angry too like what am I even paying you for.

I'm all of that ^^. I've known her for over a year, but our work got stopped when I got injured so we didn't get too far. I consider it all new and I *know* she can help me, which makes me nervous, too. I'm definitely always needing support and validation and I do get angry when I don't get it. I'm really not good with criticism, either. I say all the time "why am I paying them..." (not therapists but other healthcare services). Thank you for your insights, it's really helpful. :)
 
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