News Events around the George Floyd protests and riots, US and beyond

[Ronin]

@lostforgottensoul You DO realize the very notion an US President being not-an-US citizen, *itself*, based on the color of his skin, as well as antagonistic racialized-hate religious remarks accusing him in effect of colluding with the enemy in the state of war.... are themselves a form of racism... very blatant ones... right?

 

[lostforgottensoul]

@lostforgottensoul You DO realize the very notion an US President being not-an-US citizen, *itself*, based on the color of his skin, as well as antagonistic racialized-hate religious remarks accusing him in effect of colluding with the enemy in the state of war.... are themselves a form of racism... very blatant ones... right?

I don't remember it being about his skin color but rather the non-birth certificate. But, to answer your question, yes, I do.

ETA: to the above, i'd also expect Trump and any other past presidents to have to present a birth certificate as well and if they were not asked to, that is also racisim. I do not know if they were.

 

[whiteraven]

I'm... quite surprised as to where did Americans that never heard that racism aimed at the former President *live* during the time...

This *really* surprises me because this was such a thing during the entire time he was president (and after, unfortunately). His place of birth, his religion. And it got huge backlash.

You DO realize the very notion an US President being not-an-US citizen, *itself*, based on the color of his skin, as well as antagonistic racialized-hate religious remarks accusing him in effect of colluding with the enemy in the state of war.... are themselves a form of racism... very blatant ones... right?

^^^ This.

 

[Ronin]

I don't remember it being about his skin color but rather the non-birth certificate.

Issue is, that's *by default* about his skin color.

As in that idiocy about birth certif wouldn't & doesn't *arise* with white politicians.

So no. It's not 'about' the birth certificate. It's plain ol' racism.

And to not see that, well intentioned as people may be, just illustrates white privilege *perfectly*. That some don't even *see* why issues are an issue - or how huuge an insult to (former) Head of State.

 

[Mee]

Someone Compares What The Exact Same People Said About The Coronavirus Lockdown Vs. When Black People Started Protesting



I thought this had excellent Examples.

I’m annoyed I failed at links yesterday- I had an article breaking down why a cartoon Comparing the current and former First Ladies was problematic in a post and I obviously messed up :(

 

[Chris-duck]

I think a good example is trump always talks about his Scottish mother, right? I've not heard of trump having to prove he wasn't born in Scotland. Even though it's the same situation essentially.

 

[lostforgottensoul]

And to not see that, well intentioned as people may be, just illustrates white privilege *perfectly*.

I see it now. Which all one can do. Be willing to change their way of thinking.

ETA: I also understand, and admit, of having white privilege. Have never and will never deny that. But, as a white person, all we can do is being willing to change how we think. Which is why I said the above.

ETA2: And I said the above because it almost feels like we are being scolded for having white privilege which we can't do anything about that personally. Other to advocate BLM, too, and being willing to stay open to change ways of thinking. But, I wish people would stop screaming "white privileged" at me like I can change that. No one can change the color of their skin nor how society views us other then to advocate for those of color and those different then us. I just get a lot of anger to me (not here but in real life) because I'm white and privileged and I don't get that. At all!

 

[siniang]

made it their way even to middle-of-nowhere, not hot on US internal matters, Europe country of mine.

To be fair, I still learn way more on US-interna from my home media than the various US media I follow :cool:

And yep, the very blatant racism towards Obama and family from day one made it towards my European country, too. That being said, in all the time living here, I came to realize that many (white) Americans genuinely don't even recognize that all that was and is racism. Which brings us back to square one.

And just in case you're interested @lostforgottensoul Dead Link Removed and Three Blatant Acts of Racism Against Obama

And that's not even touching on what Michelle and her daughters were confronted with...

 

[Mee]

I think a good example is trump always talks about his Scottish mother, right? I've not heard of trump having to prove he wasn't born in Scotland. Even though it's the same situation essentially.

What is His patriarchal line - and I clarify I post with some deliberate pause for thought here because I think but can’t be sure there was some ‘confusion of fact’ in where some one - grandfather? Great grandfather ? Came from.



Edit -

His father

Dead Link Removed

 

[siniang]

What is His patriarchal line - and I clarify I post with some deliberate pause for thought here because I think but can’t be sure there was some ‘confusion of fact’ in where some one - grandfather? Great grandfather ? Came from.

German on his paternal grandfather's side.

 

[Mee]

I see it now. Which all one can do. Be willing to change their way of thinking.

ETA: I also understand, and admit, of having white privilege. Have never and will never deny that. But, as a white person, all we can do is being willing to change how we think. Which is why I said the above.

It’s no small thing.

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Its hard to learn what we have missed. It sets A domino to fall on all thoughts constructed around things we thought and didn’t see.

This is serious core belief work. I think being supportive of this and encouraging each other to keep on our personal learning journeys in this is also our ...’work’ as advocates and allies. Because it’s scary .

German on his paternal grandfather's side.

Thanks - I edited in a relevant article. He has falsely claimed twice his father was born in Germany, rather than New York.

 

[Ronin]

ETA2: And I said the above because it almost feels like we are being scolded for having white privilege which we can't do anything about that personally. Other to advocate BLM, too, and being willing to stay open to change ways of thinking. But, I wish people would stop screaming "white privileged" at me like I can change that. No one can change the color of their skin nor how society views us other then to advocate for those of color and those different then us. I just get a lot of anger to me (not here but in real life) because I'm white and privileged and I don't get that. At all!

One part is start understanding it's not about you.

And not about your feelings.

Turning it to YOU, and YOUR feelings... shows just more you don't *get it.* At all. Or why and what at are people angry.

The only white people I'd know of that have a legit cause of race issues running deep are South Africans.

Where apartheid honestly f*cked things up.
And even *there* it starts getting problematic real fast when they try to apply their country racial dynamics to any other country, or race as a whole.

As I had discussions with SA members here, at length, somewhen in... 2015 I think.

* * *
Have you been threatened with & attempted at arson as a 'normal bullying' because your hair did super typical -thing- for your race and oh, the black kids hated your narrow hair?

Were your siblings kidnapped and when asking authorities, you received being laughed at, only, because if your parents don't care, the cops neither?

Were you followed in shops, no matter where you went, as thieves - despite the fact you always paid till the last cent - while your black friends could steal and that shop lifting got overlooked?

Were you not permitted to date certain people, because they are horrible whites?

Were the people you dated despite that refusal beaten near death or TO death, and then set ablaze?

Were you?
Because you don't get the meaning of privilege if you don't get hurts like these.

And given I just triggered myself talking my life with these examples, and f*cked up my race invert reasoning to drive the point home, excuse me.