News Worldwide impact of the novel coronavirus (covid-19)

[Ronin]

Superb thanks a lot... I wasn't reading Smithsonian yet :D :banghead:

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Mostly asking for catching up for people afar, the in-person situation is greatly on the look out (yo @Never_falter2 ... haven't forgotten about your question about covid situation here) & to the point most people around are life-as-before-covid acting and more mindful are sick / disabled / elderly & health care workers...

But yep. Reading up to do. And I'm not up on country current stats on infection / healing / death / progress ratios.

 

[blackemerald1]

One state here in Australia, Victoria has been declared to be in state of disaster by it's premier This simply means that certain laws are enabled and law enforcement have more powers, money & resources can be quickly allocated without having a sitting of Parliament every time they need to spend.

Won't be pretty but it was unthinkable with the rate of infections and deaths occurring. Most of all, the number of untraceable community transmissions was huge and that's never a good sign.

Other States and Territories were getting nervous too. How could this happen? They almost eliminated it completely and now they're inundated.

Meanwhile there are many aged care homes being emptied as the elderly are taken to hospital. Children will be doing school remotely for another term or so and curfew enforced in a major metro city.

Starting to mirror the streets of Italy earlier this year. Panic buying is back in vogue apparently. The major supermarkets have been quick to enforce limited purchases. I don't understand any of that after all there is no food shortage anywhere in Australia. :wtf:

 

[Freida]

the states are still a disaster and masks are still political issues instead of health ones. Texas California and Florida are a mess, but here in the pacific NW it's not super bad. Probably because when the white house said "open everything! economy!" our governors said no.

Still not popular decisions with many, but our cases remain comparatively low soooooo...it was the right one. The sad part is that many business won't recover. Having to chose between health and income just sucks.

 

[blackemerald1]

Having to chose between health and income just sucks.

I understand that and closing down businesses is never likely to keep a economy ticking over. How did we all become coffee cup economists? Wringing our hands at the prospect of recession and depression.

But sick people do not tend to buy, make discretionary purchases or travel and spend up. Sick people with this virus, meaning those that do succumb either get terribly ill and become a huge cost to the economy anyway, or die and well, that's no so productive either.

There's nothing to suggest so far that this virus once it has dismantled the health of a person cannot come back and finish them off.

There's nothing to suggest so far that immunity is conferred for long after a human has survived it once. Nor that it doesn't do more damage if infected again and again until it does kill.

Healthy people will avoid going near sick people & places if they know the virus is prevalent. Well, I should qualify that with sensible and healthy people will avoid going near those places.

So a sick society with covid19 running out of control might result in the same consequence as a healthy society choosing to not let it run rampant and shutting down? Back to get more coffee and ponder...

 

[Friday]

Having to chose between health and income just sucks.

How did we all become coffee cup economists? Wringing our hands at the prospect of recession and depression

We’re not socialized over here.

You don’t work? You don’t have food to eat, or a roof to live under, or -until very recently- the ability to see a doctor, and that one is still a bit iffy.

So the choice is risk your life to make money to survive, or be homeless and starve.

Sure.
SOME people have savings and credit cards.
SOME people have unemployment, retirement, or disability.

But at least half the country doesn’t. <raises hand>

As someone who’s high risk, in a house full of high risk people? I very nearly walked 300 miles this week (okay, wrong tense, I’d still be walking :p) to get a job. Broke my heart to make that decision, because it would likely be the last time I saw my kid, but needs must. Fortunately/Unfortunately? 6 cracked/broken ribs have stalled out that plan. No money to see a doctor, but I’m not coughing pink flamingos (pink foam, stupid autocorrect), and no tension pneumothorax, so clingfilm does me and my AWESOME :D bruises just fine). Also only pissed blood for a couple days. So whilst I clearly banged my kidneys, they’re also recovering just fine. (I’m willing to stiff a hospital, if I can con my way in to be seen by lying about having insurance -and tank my credit/hire ability- for life saving stuff. But not for quality of life stuff). Life in America! :cool: I’m alright, though. I’m used to living on the edge. Who I really feel for are the poor bastards who are new to this.

 

[bellbird]

Damn, @Friday .
Wellest soonest to you, and keep telling those pink flamingos to piss off back to someone's lawn.

 

[blackemerald1]

We’re not socialized over here.

^ @Friday to be crystal. I wasn't criticising.

I was observing that the economy is now one of the most talked about subjects and yet not many people are qualified to understand the issues.

Relating to a tanking economy v a sick/dying/unhealthy population. Atm we seem to have both despite most of us trying so hard.

I sure don't know what is the right thing to do but I like to ponder it all as I listen to one side say that the economy should prevail & there should be no shut down and another yet another side says we must tend to our most vulnerable and protect them at all costs.

I'm hoping you feel much better soon and the cling wrap is a good way to deal. I thought you'd gone off onto a tangent about cocktails regarding the pink flamingo's... lol :oops:

 

[DharmaGirl]

Heal well, @Friday. Rest, if you can. What a f*cked up world we live in.

I told my doc where I was moving, and her doc friend where I live says this is the next hot spot. I didn't believe her, but the next day I heard it on CNN. Numbers went up, and are now steady. People out here don't wear masks. I have to go to the feed store today, and if they won't wear a mask, I'll stay back from the register. I might have said this, but there is a sign on a lawn here saying that the virus is a lie. I have a hard time believing someone could still believe that.

 

[Ronin]

Ya, @Friday, aall the healing mojo to you. Kindest & gentlest & wellest soonest.

Don't let no viruses nor pink flamingos get you out.

f*ck those them birds, nap out and reest well aall you can. You got the how and the rest likely too. Prochnost & Stars, Sis.

 

[Freida]

So a sick society with covid19 running out of control might result in the same consequence as a healthy society choosing to not let it run rampant and shutting down?

I think the challenge is that when we are preemptive and the economy shuts down it has a devastating impact on people true. But when the shut down is over, you have healthy people who can head back to work

When the illness runs unchecked and the economy shuts down, then people can't return to work when it opens back up because either they or their family members are still sick. It's a double whammy.

Sadly our social system is appalling. Many people don't have health insurance so they won't go to the doctor unless they end up sick enough to go to the emergency room. And in the mean time they end up infecting everyone around them. My sister has a compromised immune system because of cancer, but her business is considered essential so they stayed open. So she had to make the choice between going to work and catching covid or staying home and getting evicted.

To add insult to injury the minute the "No evictions during the pandemic" ended landlord's and banks all over started telling people they needed to pay their back rent/mortgage immediately. Yeah the rent they couldn't pay because there was no work is now due or they will get evicted.
And rents are going up. My sister was just told by her landlord that her rent is going up $150 a month. Yup in the middle of a pandemic they're raising rents

I don't know what the answer is, but it seems like the countries that focused on stopping the pandemic by totally shutting down are recovering way faster than the places that did a half-assed job are. Because in those places economies are tanking and cases are still rising

I keep hoping we as the world will get to the other side and be smarter. the countries that got it wrong will learn from the places that got it right

not optimistic....but hoping

@Friday ...ouch! Hope you heal up soon

 

[Mee]

^ @Friday to be crystal. I wasn't criticising.

I was observing that the economy is now one of the most talked about subjects and yet not many people are qualified to understand the issues.

And that is a huge social political issue in itself. Works out well for some politicians and not for many they represent.

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I’m ashamed of the way the country I live in is dealing with things. Increasingly ashamed.

This week official shielding ended for the medically vulnerable - while cases are on the rise again.

I remain not panicking over this situation- disappointed, profoundly empathetic for many , but not panicking.

 

[shimmerz]

or be homeless and starve.

I highly suggest that this is not a good option. Once housing is lost, it is damned near impossible to secure again. Vicious, vicious cycle.