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As a Supporter/Romantic partner...

What do we do that’s helpful and what do we do that hinders?

When we push to communicate for insight and understanding why does that feel so invasive? We do it to really know, for you, for us and the relationship.

Why is it so difficult to talk about emotions or how you feel about the relationship?
Why do those feeling change so often?

Why can you have time and space for everything and everyone else in your life but us?
 
Why can you have time and space for everything and everyone else in your life but us?
The questions you're asking are literally the core of what PTSD is. That fact that you don't know these answers, more says you have not done your research very well about how to effectively communicate with someone who has PTSD.

The simplest answer is often the one we don't think about. Sufferers don't want to burden the person they care most about with their shit. PTSD shit is not normal relationship stuff, it will drag a partner to hell with the person themselves. That simple. The term secondary PTSD came about because partners get PTSD from living with a PTSD sufferer. Trauma breeds trauma.

Everyone else, we don't care about that much - and they usually don't want to ask questions, so that makes those relationships easy.

The sufferer has to work on themselves - our issues are not a partners problem, our issues are for us to solve, and only the sufferer can solve them. Where you enter a relationship with PTSD as the partner, can depend greatly on how well it goes, or how soon it ends.
 
The questions you're asking are literally the core of what PTSD is. That fact that you don't know these answers, more says you have not done your research very well about how to effectively communicate with someone who has PTSD.

The simplest answer is often the one we don't think about. Sufferers don't want to burden the person they care most about with their shit. PTSD shit is not normal relationship stuff, it will drag a partner to hell with the person themselves. That simple. The term secondary PTSD came about because partners get PTSD from living with a PTSD sufferer. Trauma breeds trauma.

Everyone else, we don't care about that much - and they usually don't want to ask questions, so that makes those relationships easy.

The sufferer has to work on themselves - our issues are not a partners problem, our issues are for us to solve, and only the sufferer can solve them. Where you enter a relationship with PTSD as the partner, can depend greatly on how well it goes, or how soon it ends.
I have done my research to know the symptoms but I was speaking to the root cause. My sufferer does not communicate about his illness or symptoms other than sleepless nights, needing quiet and space to heal. All the other symptoms he has I know about because I’ve been on the receiving end.
I’m new to this site and the first hand perspectives of both sufferers and supporters. I didn’t mean to come off ignorant or arrogant, I was more just looking for personal experiences as everyone seems to be different.
 
I have done my research to know the symptoms but I was speaking to the root cause.
Well, the root cause is - literally - the mental illness itself.

In simple layman's terms: A traumatic event occurs, one that is of sufficient intensity to truly kick the brain into fear overdrive.

Then, the traumatic event ends.

What should happen next, is: over the next three to six months (so think the neuroscientists), the brain should gradually smooth out the edges of that very profound fear - take what was an intense experience and turn it into a memory of an intense experience. And then, a slightly more distant memory of a frightening experience. Then, more distant, and while you can recall the fear - it's truly a memory of fear. It's in the past.

You might still be able to become upset by really remembering it deeply - but generally, you'd be able to relay the story of the event without becoming overwhelmed.

PTSD happens when the brain doesn't manage to smooth out that intense experience. Instead, it remains stuck in the present, and doesn't join other memories that are filed to the past. It's a glitch, a kind of trauma deja-vu. Part of the brain perceives the traumatic event as still being in process, still occurring.

Now, most of the other neurological functions are operating correctly - if they weren't, the person with PTSD would be living in an extremely painful state of either continual psychosis or near-catatonia. What is more typical (or common) is for the person with PTSD to experience this "stuck memory" sometimes intensely enough to truly perceive it as experiential (flashbacks), sometimes like it just happened yesterday (intrusive thoughts).

It's exhausting for the brain to be stuck like this - because it's always on edge, somehow (hyper-vigilance). The sufferer will try and find ways to quiet the memory (avoidance, maladaptive coping mechanisms such as isolating, self-harming, substance abuse), and under all that mental strain, will often find themselves losing control of their emotions (dysregulation), either lashing out or becoming profoundly sad, or re-enacting aspects of the trauma out of some misguided attempt to 'conquer' it.

Treatment for PTSD will accomplish two things. One: It will move the fear experience that is stuck into the file where memories are supposed to go. The end result is referred to as "memory re-consolidation". The process of getting there is called "trauma processing". What is happening inside the brain is sometimes referred to as "fear extinction" - which doesn't mean all your fears go away, it means that this singular fear that is looping is finally extinguished.

And Two: the maladaptive coping mechanisms, dysregulations, patterns of avoidance....all those symptoms...will be identified, recognized, and through conscious determination (in which the sufferer can now choose to re-direct these harmful behaviors into more sustainable and healthy ones), they will be gradually smoothed over as well.

PTSD doesn't fully go away. Whatever that tangled bit of trauma was, the neurological-circutry that was caught up in it will retain aspects of the fear experience. That will cause flare-ups of symptoms. But, the PTSD sufferer gets to know their symptoms very well, over the course of treatment. So, they become better at recognizing when they are affected, and taking steps to reduce stressors in their life so they can ride out the choppy waves of recall, eventually becoming more regulated again.

When you're inside of it, it's very hard to see it from outside yourself. After a decent amount of therapy, that gets easier; but, as I said at the beginning of this very long post - that inability to see exactly what's happening to you is a direct result of a memory function inside the brain becoming looped.

Or put even more succinctly: When you have PTSD - and it's untreated? - you're not in your right mind. Your mind isn't working right. And you can't just fix that through sheer force of will - in fact, you'll just display more symptoms.

You've got to engage in some form of memory re-consolidation and fear extinction. You've then got to start re-routing your thought patterns and your behaviors. And you need to be prepared for things to sometimes get very hard.

When we push to communicate for insight and understanding why does that feel so invasive?
Because we ourselves don't fully understand what's happening. How can we teach you about it when we're busy learning about it and living inside it?
We do it to really know, for you, for us and the relationship.
No, actually. It's more common that you do it because you're insecure in the relationship in some way, and you want to feel re-connected. You want to understand because you feel bad - powerless, or incompetent, or afraid - and you think that us leaning on you will help you feel like you are on solid ground again, as partners.

But that's not how it works for us. It's as if we are trying to do a difficult task - surviving being neurologically stuck in the worst moment(s) of our lives - and you would like us to come out of our intensely focused struggle in order to explain to you what's happening, or reassure you that the relationship is still ok...That's the sort of thing that someone in relatively decent mental health can do. Not someone with a mental illness.

That's why being a supporter is hard. The term is a bit of a misnomer - or rather, it's not really that you are supporting us - you need to be able to support yourself. That's how you support us. You keep the ground steady under your feet, and you hold space for the relationship when we are struggling.

Not that you wait and put up with all sorts of shit - more like, you're strong and rooted and we can trust that about you. You can hold onto our present-day partnership even when we kind of suck at it, because we're not living in the here and now, we're dealing with this trauma-brain Groundhog Day.
 
Well, the root cause is - literally - the mental illness itself.

In simple layman's terms: A traumatic event occurs, one that is of sufficient intensity to truly kick the brain into fear overdrive.

Then, the traumatic event ends.

What should happen next, is: over the next three to six months (so think the neuroscientists), the brain should gradually smooth out the edges of that very profound fear - take what was an intense experience and turn it into a memory of an intense experience. And then, a slightly more distant memory of a frightening experience. Then, more distant, and while you can recall the fear - it's truly a memory of fear. It's in the past.

You might still be able to become upset by really remembering it deeply - but generally, you'd be able to relay the story of the event without becoming overwhelmed.

PTSD happens when the brain doesn't manage to smooth out that intense experience. Instead, it remains stuck in the present, and doesn't join other memories that are filed to the past. It's a glitch, a kind of trauma deja-vu. Part of the brain perceives the traumatic event as still being in process, still occurring.

Now, most of the other neurological functions are operating correctly - if they weren't, the person with PTSD would be living in an extremely painful state of either continual psychosis or near-catatonia. What is more typical (or common) is for the person with PTSD to experience this "stuck memory" sometimes intensely enough to truly perceive it as experiential (flashbacks), sometimes like it just happened yesterday (intrusive thoughts).

It's exhausting for the brain to be stuck like this - because it's always on edge, somehow (hyper-vigilance). The sufferer will try and find ways to quiet the memory (avoidance, maladaptive coping mechanisms such as isolating, self-harming, substance abuse), and under all that mental strain, will often find themselves losing control of their emotions (dysregulation), either lashing out or becoming profoundly sad, or re-enacting aspects of the trauma out of some misguided attempt to 'conquer' it.

Treatment for PTSD will accomplish two things. One: It will move the fear experience that is stuck into the file where memories are supposed to go. The end result is referred to as "memory re-consolidation". The process of getting there is called "trauma processing". What is happening inside the brain is sometimes referred to as "fear extinction" - which doesn't mean all your fears go away, it means that this singular fear that is looping is finally extinguished.

And Two: the maladaptive coping mechanisms, dysregulations, patterns of avoidance....all those symptoms...will be identified, recognized, and through conscious determination (in which the sufferer can now choose to re-direct these harmful behaviors into more sustainable and healthy ones), they will be gradually smoothed over as well.

PTSD doesn't fully go away. Whatever that tangled bit of trauma was, the neurological-circutry that was caught up in it will retain aspects of the fear experience. That will cause flare-ups of symptoms. But, the PTSD sufferer gets to know their symptoms very well, over the course of treatment. So, they become better at recognizing when they are affected, and taking steps to reduce stressors in their life so they can ride out the choppy waves of recall, eventually becoming more regulated again.

When you're inside of it, it's very hard to see it from outside yourself. After a decent amount of therapy, that gets easier; but, as I said at the beginning of this very long post - that inability to see exactly what's happening to you is a direct result of a memory function inside the brain becoming looped.

Or put even more succinctly: When you have PTSD - and it's untreated? - you're not in your right mind. Your mind isn't working right. And you can't just fix that through sheer force of will - in fact, you'll just display more symptoms.

You've got to engage in some form of memory re-consolidation and fear extinction. You've then got to start re-routing your thought patterns and your behaviors. And you need to be prepared for things to sometimes get very hard.


Because we ourselves don't fully understand what's happening. How can we teach you about it when we're busy learning about it and living inside it?

No, actually. It's more common that you do it because you're insecure in the relationship in some way, and you want to feel re-connected. You want to understand because you feel bad - powerless, or incompetent, or afraid - and you think that us leaning on you will help you feel like you are on solid ground again, as partners.

But that's not how it works for us. It's as if we are trying to do a difficult task - surviving being neurologically stuck in the worst moment(s) of our lives - and you would like us to come out of our intensely focused struggle in order to explain to you what's happening, or reassure you that the relationship is still ok...That's the sort of thing that someone in relatively decent mental health can do. Not someone with a mental illness.

That's why being a supporter is hard. The term is a bit of a misnomer - or rather, it's not really that you are supporting us - you need to be able to support yourself. That's how you support us. You keep the ground steady under your feet, and you hold space for the relationship when we are struggling.

Not that you wait and put up with all sorts of shit - more like, you're strong and rooted and we can trust that about you. You can hold onto our present-day partnership even when we kind of suck at it, because we're not living in the here and now, we're dealing with this trauma-brain Groundhog Day.
@joeylittle I would like to thank you so much for the time and effort it took to respond with so much patience and clear “laymen’s termed” articulation. I have done a lot of research on PTSD as an illness but it has been hard to conceptualize the actual experience. My sufferer never spoke about it in detail as he is just coming to terms with and understanding it himself. He is seeking therapy but there’s a great deal of shame around his diagnosis, which I have tried to dismantle.

I found this site/forum after the fact, our relationship became PTSD when he disclosed his diagnosis and isolated. That was my mistake. After years of experiencing the effects of a PTSD relationship and not knowing, I scrambled to know as much as I could and worked over time and in over drive trying to fix it. The more I pushed to fix, to know and be a part of his process the further away he pulled. I have struggled a lot trying to be a supporter but without knowing what he was experiencing or feeling, I started to take it personally after a few months. He never ghosted me to the point of ignoring, but it definitely changed. He told me he needed space and time to heal, asked me for patience and understanding but would never talk about what that actually means. I was so confused, frustrated and hurt, I felt neglected, uncared for, unloved and small in his world.

At times over the years I took his; needing things “his way” (time and communication), the push/pull dynamic and minimal communication as narcissism and apathy. It always confused me because I saw another side of him that told me that couldn’t be true. It gnawed at me and even when I tried to leave the relationship because of the way I was feeling, I could not get him out of my mind and heart. We stayed in contact through text and by telephone although a lot of that contact was mounted in anger and frustration.

Then after 9 months of not seeing him in person, I saw him and I could see his pain, I could actually feel it and there were no words needed that he was going through “something” and I acknowledged that he really looked like he was hurting. He shared of many stressors that were happening in his life and chalked it up to it all feeling heavy and him having a full plate. I believed him because soon after he was full of life, hope and our communication and time spent was more than I had hoped for. The more time we spent together I noticed an absence about him, an uneasiness and various physical & health issues that I attributed to major depression or BPD #2. I have experienced both closely with my mother, sister and best friend having been long time sufferers themselves.

Once he told me, I approached it as I would for anyone… full force, 110%. That’s not what he needed and it became the demise of our relationship. I pushed for answers and communication to appease my own insecurities and I put ALL the blame on PTSD (so in his mind, HIM).

I expected the process and to feel and be the same as it is with my family and friends, but it felt and was nothing like it. He wasn’t them and his way was not their way or mine. I couldn’t accept that he didn’t need me or want to talk to me or be around me. It was/is so hard to not take personally even when he is telling me it’s not me. Loving someone with a mental health issue and not having any romantic expectations has been pretty easy for me over my lifetime… involve being “in love”; it’s a whole other ball game. A new set of rules to a game you’ve played your whole life.

I wish I had found this forum months ago when I found out. All of the shared experience and insight into the illness is incredibly valuable and healing. I have to take accountability and responsibility for my part in its break down and understand why I did as I did and feel as I feel. It’s going to be a long journey of healing and moving forward and I am so thankful for the support and community of this forum.

I appreciate insight into the hard truth regarding my own emotional turmoil and its responsibility on me and the mistakes I’ve made as a supporter. Your shared experiences and advice is appreciated and respected more than I can possibly express.
 
Look in articles at the ptsd cup explanation.
Thank you, I needed that read. It helps me understand what he means by having a full plate. I am seeing that me pushing for communication was really a huge stress for him and I must have over flowed his cup many times by asking.
 
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