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Identity Loss

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AzureMind

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Ever since my dissociative episodes worsened, I feel like I've really lost my "core identity" and have no way of getting it back.....is it normal to feel "personally blank" or "devoid of personality"? It's like I do all these things, ALL of which leave me NO feeling of identity confirmation....for instance, I know that I can draw, i know I can swim, I know I can kick/box....these things just don't seem to give me a sense of comfort, as if to say "this is who I am".....

I feel formless....hollow, and empty....My family seems so definite, and sure in their personalities; my mother is the "debutante, the bell of the ball, Miss Valley Girl" my father is the "High School Hero, Mr. 2-A-Days" my brother is the "Social Butterfly the Baby..." but I can't define myself....I don't feel "at home" with me....I feel like if the personality was a house, mine would be bare...I move back and forth between ALL these things I just DO, but nothing really clues me in to who I am....can anyone identify/understand this?
 
Yes, I know how that feels.

The good news is you can and will begin to put in new 'furniture' (who you really are and what is most important to you) as you as you start to become aware of 'who' you are now, and what is most important to you- not anyone else but you.
Because you are unique.

It's a good analogy because some pieces will be old and some new.
 
I always feel hurt by the idea, at least as I've seen it in the scholarly trauma literature, of victims' "loss of self" or "identity." No expert, I, I feel the following way about it at the moment. Forgive me if this doesn't speak to your feelings.

I wonder whether your family members would in any serious way identify with the phrases you have used to describe their personalities - these short phrases seem too simple to capture any real human personality. All human beings are complex and hard to grasp fully. I think that sometimes personal circumstances (which are always a blend of the internal and the external, the mental and the social, ourselves and other "selves") make it genuinely difficult for people to enjoy, develop, and express their personalities. This is often true of trauma victims in the environments in which they find themselves - too often cut off from community, from satisfying work, from family, from an ordinary place in society. That doesn't mean we don't have identities. It means we don't have the opportunities we need to flourish as human. That sucks. But our circumstances are not who we are, nor are the absent opportunities to live freely and with purpose in this world.

I feel like it has just been soooo long since I had a context in which to express myself and this makes me feel cut off from myself. We need a free and trustworthy world in which to live if we are to live as ourselves, and I don't have that yet. But then I am not entirely post-trauma.
 
Azure - You know that thread in ChitChat that's called one word that define's yourself (or something like that).

I almost picked: undefined as my word. That's how I feel so much of the time. I have no friggin' clue anymore who I am or what I like. I lost me a long time ago and haven't been able to get myself back. Sometimes I'm not sure if I ever will. It's frustrating, frightening and depressing.
 
I know exactly. I'm floating. No anchor. No core. What am I doing here? What do I want? Is there more to life than what I'm doing? Why can't I just be happy with the tasks at hand? Why can't I clean my house and feel good about it every morning? Why can't I plant flowers and pull weeds? Why do I feel like I have to achieve something noteworthy? Why can't I play the guitar just for myself? Make up a musical just for me and my daughter to enjoy? What's so diminishing about that? And if those things aren't good enough, why can't I just find something else to do? I have opportunities. I don't have to work for a living. Why can't I donate some time to a local charity? Why can't I risk dissociating or freaking out in front of people? Oh, I know the answer to that one. It's not safe. If people find out, they will take advantage of you. But, why can't I find a way to get out there and step away if I feel like things are starting to overwhelm me. But, the real thing is what do I want? What do I care about?
 
My psychologist said that my experience growing in my family was like like a cult because it went right down to my inner core. I think it was all about breaking down my personality and blind obedience, showering people with love and then taking it away. When I was attacked, it wasn't my arms or face that was attacked, he went straight for my inner core, saying all my strengths were rot, so there all my strengths evaporated like my personality wasn't strong anymore. I felt like a ship floating around at the start of my therapy, no beliefs to keep me anchored. Therapy is about getting the real me to stand up, and letting me feel safe in my own core again. A baby is also like a blank canvas with no personality at the start, but they are still beautiful.:)
 
I am struggling to find myself every day as we speak. A summer goal of mine is to get to know myself.

But yes, I understand. Sometimes I do not even recognize myself in a mirror.
 
I know what you mean..I've been feeling the same way. I don't know who or what I am anymore, to myself or to anyone else. The person who I was for so long is missing. I feel kind of like I was in a fog..and still am, only this is a different fog . I feel like I am in limbo or something.
 
Maze, I am told that my experience "in captivity" was like a cult experience, because what was done to me was also about breaking down my personality and making me obedient. Together, the prolonged sadistic horrors I was put through and my resistance/self-defense led to a person very unlike who I had been. I was 29 when the terror began. The person I had become in this context of horrors stayed with me to a large extent (but not entirely). My unaware life as not-really-me was ended when I was forced into treatment over a decade later.

I have written some before, as best I'd been able to understand it at various time, about the nature of my "therapy". My "captivity" (the initial trauma) and its effects had been extreme, pervasive, and prolonged - so extreme that, when forced into treatment, I no longer "knew" about the crime, still don't know all the details, had no idea why I was having insomnia, memory problems, and so on. I was still very largely under the control of my "captor." So, by a medical team, family, friends, colleagues, and others, and with the cooperation of the police, I was intentionally retraumatized and have been, am still being put through another prolonged course of terror, helplessness, and the pain of having to live with immense crimes that no one will acknowledge. Essentially, I have been gang stalked for therapeutic purposes, no one admitting directly what has been happening. At first, having no idea what was happening, I became so terrified that I could no longer control the massive shaking of my body or developing inability to function. I quit my job and moved to my home city. I went to the hospital, hoping to get help with the harassment, as well as relief for the symptoms it had caused. Turned out my therapy team was there too and the terror continued. I was put involuntarily on medication for a "delusional disorder" (which I did have with respect to my captor, but the stalking I reported was no delusion; I was treated for delusions based on my reports of the stalking). Everywhere I went, in short-term jobs I would take, among my neighbors, there was more gang stalking. This was done so that I would again be terrorized and tormented in private (maximum "exposure therapy").

At the same time, I was provided a stream of information about trauma in general and the various specific features of my own. I have worked desperately hard at trauma work, because I was make to believe that my freedom depends on my getting thought it. While indirectly acknowledging this course of horror, still, four years later, no one involved will admit it directly, it still hasn't stopped, and I have been kept in a state of having to live under the control of my therapy team now for the last four years or so. I am still not working. I cannot bear seeing friends or family, and I cannot bear therapists. Again, I have been intentionally cut off from my son and parents. I am trapped and watching years of my life go to waste. Why do I not try to get help, get away from this obscenely unethical course of therapy? I am kept obedient by the threat of being put into a psych facility, treated as someone who is paranoid and delusional on the basis of my telling the truth about this treatment plan I have just described. I have already tried and tried to get help. This is what happened. It was terrifying, horrifying, degrading, humiliating, devastating, and indescribably painful. I could not bear for it to happen again. So just as I had by the criminal(s) been held trapped in fear and the paralysis of "learned helplessness," now I am held by the "healers" held trapped in fear
and the paralysis of "learned helplessness." I am becoming numb again, except when faced with even the slightest irritant, then I go into a rage, just as I used to do, and just as would be expected in someone who had been treated as I have been.

I don't know when "deprogramming" will be thought to have been accomplished. I think I can go nowhere from here in such extreme isolation (the deep isolation of living injustices and cruelties that no one will acknowledge). I am dying for real human communication. The point of all this is: I never stopped being me, but it has been nearly two decades now since I was free to act as myself.

Meanwhile, I am always being tested in various ways, asked questions to see whether I remember things I used to know, to see whether I react to suggestions or circumstances in "my" way or the "inculcated" way, I will be provided reminders of the initial trauma and was for a time forced to relive over and over parts of it - mostly abusive language, yelled loudly, by a menacing man, with no provocation, and lasting a long time. People I still have contact with will say things to try to get me to remember the parts I don't remember. I have recently been brought to the point of "surrender," of my brain's no longer being able to try.

I write all this in this thread because a thought about this thread has woken me in the night. I feel as if my "care" team believed (and still believes) that this nightmare they have been making me live is justified precisely because, in their minds, I had so fully "lost my identity," that any treatment was justified - if this gave me a better chance of becoming "myself" again, then they would do it despite the shocking cruelty involved and the immense violations of my rights. And all the while, while I recognize the huge damage done me by my initial captivity, part of me is shouting inside that I still am somebody! I still am myself! It is I who experienced the first nightmare and I who experience this one as well!

My therapy has, to my mind, been the nightmare of my life. Even if it would have been less successful, I would have wanted a humane course of treatment (no one could choose to undergo prolonged torture), and, however blind I was and right they were about the desperateness of my initial situation, I will never forgive anyone who has been involved.

Even when to the outer world there seemed to be nothing left of my personality, I was still there. What I needed most was a safe world, a reliable world, a compassionate world in which to try to come to terms with what had happened. I have no objection to having been treated involuntarily (I recognize that I did not have capacity at the time), but what I needed to be able again to let my personality out into the world, to apply it to activity, to express "real" me, was honest, trusting, real relationships with others, and this is precisely what my therapy deprives me of. With trauma work too, of course. But in relationship is where out identities are to be found.
 
I don't know if what I have to add will be any help to anyone, but I hope it does help somehow.

There was a "feeling" I had, at one point during the worst of the trauma, where I felt like I died. The feeling was complete with an out-of-body experience and the whole nine yards. I could never shake the belief that some core part of myself had died and I lost my identity during the process.

After years of therapy, I discovered that the core self (containing a big chunk of my identity) was only buried deep inside of me and was not dead. I began making a list of the things I liked, loved, hated and feared and began to get a better sense of who I am. Maybe this will help you too.
 
Has anyone else had this experience. Because I thought for sure I had found myself for good last time. I was a different person before that change. It's like a cycle, I guess? When I go through the change, It's different, how can I explain this..let's go back to the "cycle" before this last.. the person I was she was a completely different person, different personality, I couldn't even identify with the feelings or thought processes I had for so long. See, I had confronted her, and thought I had defeated her. I reached a point I guess, where she felt foreign to me, like an invader who took me over and so I tried to kill her off. It actually felt like there was 2 different people, and there was a war among them for control. This took place in a long series of dreams and..dissociations, I suppose. So last time I thought for sure I reclaimed myself for good and that would be the end of it. But now who I thought I was has gone M.I.A. again. I don't know what I am anymore, and I feel "her" pushing her way in again. I don't know if i want this to happen, but it seems like i am in a daze and I can't stop it. As she comes around I feel the person I became so sure I was growing foggy, I can't recall my thought processes, almost like I was dreaming for a while, and now I am on the verge of a different "dream" entirely. Because that's surely what it will feel like If i go through the change again, and I'm most certain I will, as I'm starting to see a pattern.
 
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