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Relationship With Beloved Child Who Condones Abuser

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I benefited a lot from ACOA material even though my father wasn't much more than an alcohol abuser... his other issues and behaviors, as well as those from my other family members were why I identified with the concept of learning to be self parenting.

It is, like Anni said amazing to be in a place where to many of our experiences are diverse, but we can dialogue and share in this way. This has been a really great thread. It just goes to show you that when people come from a kind and compassionate place... when the intent is right... the atmosphere for dialogue and quality of communication can be so much better than so many of us are used to "in real life". Not that this isn't real life, but all of us are coming from a sincere place and all of us are bonded in self improvement and improving our relationships.
 
Dear Brat,
I talked about this about with my therapist. Anger is a stage. I've had anger for a long time. I feel that I have this was cleaning up the "dust bunnies" like Annie said and finally letting myself feel all of it.
Hugs,
Gloria
Gloria, I apologize for such a brief comment. I know that I have to be patient with myself in working thru my anger. Seems the longer I have let something go on or felt the underlying emotions of the anger (fear, hurt, betrayal, etc) the more patience I have needed.

Its a stage but can return on the same issue before finally coming to terms. I can relate so much to this issue for you. I have often denied my own needs to protect my kids, teaching them that my needs are not as important. By the time I have admitted feeling taken advantage of, I have a lot of emotions. Then I can understand and accept it on an intellectual level, but it takes my heart longer to heal.

I am so glad you are allowing yourself feel all of it. I also know its very hard to not push it back so to not have to deal with it when it hurts too much. You are brave and this is a huge accomplishment.
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Ms. Spock,

Your apology is accepted.

Thank you. I am humbled by your generosity.

I truly understand that a female victim of sex abuse is terrified of a male sexual predator. My point was to bring to light that sexual abuse happens to both male and females, and they are both victims. I also wanted people to understand that when children act out, many times there is an underlying reason for their acting out, and a lot of times it is due to them being victimized.

Oh I do know that both males and females are sexually abused intothelight. I spent the same amount of time protecting my sisters and my brothers from my sexual predator father.

It is true intothelight children do act out when they are being abused and traumatised.

Yes, it is critical the cycle be broken. If there is one thing I do in this life, it is to do my best to see the cycle is broken and that my children are healed, so the next generation doesn't suffer the hell these two generations have (myself and my children).

And you and your children have been to hell and back any number of times. I admire you.

Honesty like yours and your children will break the cycle. You have done very well.

Never be afraid to post what is in your heart and/or mind. This is how we all learn and deepen our understanding of complex and painful experiences. Actually, you were very brave to post what you did and I felt that it was valid and needed to be addressed from another perspective.

Once again I am humbled by your modelling of best practice in terms of differing points of view, modelling compassion towards me, who got it so wrong and your generosity of spirit. You are inspiring.

Please don't feel guilty, as I think that as this is read, it will open a lot of people's minds and maybe help them to view abuse from a broader perspective.

Deb

Thank you your kindness is so appreciated. I felt so much better to see that you had read my apologies and had clicked "like" I must admit.

I kind of see that as a big part of my life, to get people to view abuse from a broader perspective. This has been a tremendous learning experience for me. I have always tried to make people aware that it is not just men who abuse but women as well. I used to talk a lot more about males being sexually abused and how their stats were lower than girls primarily due to under reporting and the stigma of being a male, vulnerable and not wanting to be seen as a victim.

I somehow got lost along the way. My insensitivity is inappropriate. I was trying to think why I responded that way - and I think I was acting out. (which is, of course no excuse) There are a number of reason that I was acting out, because there is a woman leaving her child with the parent that sexually abused her as a parent, that I never had a mother like you, and a lot about all my ptsd stuff which is all over the place at the moment and despite all my efforts in my life time, the cycle of abuse has not been broken in my family nor will it be. I spoke about what I had written with my psychiatrist yesterday and she told me of a poor young man who at thirteen did something to one who was 10 and a decade later could still not forgive himself, despite what had been happening to him at that time.

I don't know if that is what is really going on for me, to be honest, because I am a bit disassociated at the moment - but that is my best guess.

I do appreciate the kindness, compassion and generosity of spirit with which you responded to my posts.

I felt so bad, that I was prepared to be banned and cast out because I stuffed up big time. Yet all I have experienced is kindness, compassion and generosity of spirit.
I shed a few tears as I type this and thank you once again.
ms spock
 
Not being married doesn't insure to keep us from abuse, just look at my bully neighbor constantly laying in wait to verbally attack me and most recently my husband from his screened porch? I'm a fighter too, Gloria, but knowing that the abuser is not always the person you say "I do" to is hugely important, more often it can be how we allow others to treat us without realizing we are doing it or knowing how to deal with it correctly.

Oh, and I'm quite sure you have met the one person who has been married more than you ;).
 
Ms. Spock, you made me tear up this morning. I was almost done in by Albatross, who managed to put words to something I'd been trying 'get at' and she succeeded then I ran the emotional gauntlet of your lovely, naked posts and it finished me off. It also underlined in more neon exactly what Albatross succintly said, didn't it? I'm a pink girl myself but any color highlighter will do. :)

You're a big peach.
 
Gloria, I apologize for such a brief comment.

My Dear and Cherished Friend Brat (I wish I could use your real name because I don't like calling you Brat).
I go recovery groups all the time and see people going throught the anger stuff. I am positive the reason that I don't have as much anger is my "zoo" here - 5 dogs, 2 cats, (10??? chickens in the house and 30 more in barn plus goats and horses. My animals pick up my anger or anxiety and mayhem results if I have it so I do breathing exercises and deal with it. Since I stopped being angry (and also reviewed Dog Whisperer techniques) I was shocked to have all my dogs sitting, staying and acting like little angels instead of a pack of wolves!! I'm glad I'm not angry. But I am so glad that I did get angry finally over this because now the thing that has been festering is resolved and gone. My son and I just dealt with it. My ex is going to have a lot of anger when I sent him the most non-confrontatiional letter that anyone can send (I am a talented writer) and maybe the anger will be going where is belongs - with my ex and leaves our house FOREVER!!!

Much love and hugs and DO COME VISIT!!!! I have several friends coming for a weekend next month and we will heal each other and it's a blessing.
Many Blessings to YOU!!
Gloria
 
I have been thinking about this a lot lately Gloria.
I'm not sure that ACOA is the right place for individuals like you and me who have experienced more than just alcoholic behavior from parents. I actually got kicked out of an ACOA meeting once because I discussed more than "My father came home drunk". But you will meet others who have had a lot of trauma.

I only started this "new childhood thing" in the past few months when I fell yet again and dented my skull) I decided that I am only going to be lucky enough to survive this so many times before my luck runs out.

So I bought a used Mercedes (for less than most used cars, not extravagant) and put a Betty Boop bobble head on the back window and have done the things that a 10 year old would do - gotten puppies, raising chicks. I'm totally silly and I love it. I decided that because of medical problems, I know that I won't be around in 10 years so I am going to spend my children's inheritance while I'm still alive!!

Much love,
Gloria (and I'm quoting again so I hope I did it correctly!!!)
 
Yeah, I knew from personal experience too, that if I shared in meetings on topics other than the "singleness of purpose"... that it was not very accepted. That's why I left the model for my own recovery though I still benefit from the AA, Alanon, and ACOA materials. I went through it on my own every day last year, an ACOA daily reading book. I did though get a lot out of it.
 
Oh, and I'm quite sure you have met the one person who has been married more than you ;).

Actually, I have not even heard of anyone that has been engaged more times than me. I watch Runaway Bride and completely identify. I used to be a needy chameleon who would become the person that the man wanted. But honestly, I read about some women in Guiness Book of Records that was married 22 times. One of my goals is not to beat her at that Guiness record! LOL!!!!!! :eek: Only my closest friends know of my multiple marriages and we make such great jokes about it. But I have been clean and sober (unmarried) for 8 years. I hope I kicked the habit!!:rolleyes:

Hugs,
Gloria
 
Well we are all recovering from something arent we, maybe we should start our own group called "Recovering Brides", (and multiple engagements count), but the question is, who will be our "Ring" leader.

In all seriousness, I find the ACOA daily affirmation books really good, they seem a better fit for me than any other daily book.
 
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