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A Little Too Drunk

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The point is, is you are having concerns and recognizing them, don't discredit what you are feeling. Acknowledge it and work with it. Don't ever ever underestimate what you are feeling. Talk to somebody, get the help you need, and engage in healthy activities. It seems you are, but my mistake was discrediting what I knew in my heart was turning into a huge potential problem.

Thank you so, so much for your reply. This is exactly the kind of response I was hoping for.

It's a strange dichotomy of sort of always in the back of my mind being worried that I'm addicted to things even when I'm obviously not (because I grew up around it) and making sure that what I'm really feeling is a legitimate concern with how I'm coping, even if it's just temporary. And then the other side of it is, "Well, I know I worry about addiction and I also know myself and I know that I'm not in any real danger right now. So we'll wait and see how it goes and decide from there."

But obviously it hasn't stopped and I haven't moved to stop it yet, so the decision is to do something about it.

Last time I had a similar concern (back when I was rooming with some self-medicating girls), I just stopped for a while and then it was fine. But I also knew at the time why I was doing what I was doing and that was helpful. So hopefully my therapist and I can figure that out and I'll take a break and no harm done.

I was just wondering if anybody else had experienced a phase like the one I'm going through.
 
I completely understand where you are coming from. I still don't think I am an addict. I was not drinking every day nor did I black out all of the time . It's just some times I went over borard. Usually when I did, there was a trigger and not a positive trigger either. I am glad for your sake you are recognizing it, because it can turn into quite a scary situation. I too see therapist, not for necessarily for the drinking, but for everything I have gone through. My therapist is a bit different, he is a Navajo Indian, parapsychologist, reiki master...etc. He actually has now become my life coach. So I see him once a month, and call him whenever I want. It's helped tremendously to have somebody there for me that is outside my normal life that I can just talk too.

I hope everything goes well today with your therapist. Like I said, if you need anybody to talk to feel free to reach out to me.
I hate to see anybody go through what I went through the course of the years and have nobody to talk too or that can relate. It's a real rotten feeling.

All of the best to you!
 
Fair enough. I won't reply to your future posts as you're not posting things which you want honest feedback from people who perhaps have a bit more experience in this area than you do.
 
I was just wondering if anybody else had experienced a phase like the one I'm going through.

Yes. Every single addict once was 'only' where you are now. Including me. So, I do understand. I was given an assignment to go out and try to moderate my drinking. I was able to for awhile, but I was miserable. Then, I couldn't.

I hope you do speak with your Therapist. Your children need you. You deserve better than to become a full-blown alcoholic. Being one, I can honestly say, don't go there if you can avoid it. Being one, I want to say that my shares are not a 'morality' judgment, though it might feel that way from your end. But they are from decades of experience in treating, sponsoring, living with, and being an alcoholic. So I've heard everything you've said to 'explain' your behaviors. But the 'behaviors' you're offering explanations for are simply positive signs of alcohol abuse.

When people ask me why I won't even have 1 drink, I tell them this.

Would I be asked this question if my addiction was chocolate cake? If every so often, I spent too much money on chocolate cake? If every few times I ate chocolate cake, I came home on a carb high then was grumpy with my loved ones the next day? If I sneaked chocolate cake? If I tried to eat just a bite but every once in awhile, found myself cramming the whole cake in my mouth throughout the night, then did things I didn't feel proud of, or hurt people's feelings, or had to have other's take care of me?

Would everyone be telling me 'just take it slow...' and 'just have a little bit...'?

No. Because all healthy people would ask 'why don't you just stay away from it entirely?' Only co-dependents, people with their own alcohol issues, or uneducated people would keep trying to convince me to try to moderate my cake consumption. Because it's ridiculous to even take that risk. Chocolate cake simply isn't worth the risk to me.

Neither is alcohol.

That you say you're 'obviously not' an alcoholic isn't obvious to me, because you've already met many of the criteria for a diagnosis of alcoholism.

Here's a test from the National Council on Alcoholism and Drug Dependence at [DLMURL]http://www.ncadd.org/index.php/learn-about-alcohol/alcohol-abuse-self-test[/DLMURL]

These questions are all yes/no questions. Keep in mind that non-alcoholics generally answer 'No' to all or most of these, and if they do answer 'yes,' they would say 'only once or twice.'

1. Do you drink heavily when you are disappointed, under pressure or have had a quarrel with someone?

2. Can you handle more alcohol now than when you first started to drink?

3. Have you ever been unable to remember part of the previous evening, even though your friends say you didn’t pass out?

4. When drinking with other people, do you try to have a few extra drinks when others won’t know about it?

5. Do you sometimes feel uncomfortable if alcohol is not available?

6. Are you more in a hurry to get your first drink of the day than you used to be?

7. Do you sometimes feel a little guilty about your drinking?

8. Has a family member or close friend express concern or complained about your drinking?

9. Have you been having more memory “blackouts” recently?

10. Do you often want to continue drinking after your friends say they’ve had enough?

11. Do you usually have a reason for the occasions when you drink heavily?

12. When you’re sober, do you sometimes regret things you did or said while drinking?

13. Have you tried switching brands or drinks, or following different plans to control your drinking?

14. Have you sometimes failed to keep promises you made to yourself about controlling or
cutting down on your drinking?

15. Have you ever had a DWI (driving while intoxicated) or DUI (driving under the influence of alcohol) violation, or any other legal problem related to your drinking?

16. Do you try to avoid family or close friends while you are drinking?

17. Are you having more financial, work, school, and/or family problems as a result of your drinking?

18. Has your physician ever advised you to cut down on your drinking?

19. Do you eat very little or irregularly during the periods when you are drinking?

20. Do you sometimes have the “shakes” in the morning and find that it helps to have a “little” drink, tranquilizer or medication of some kind?

21. Have you recently noticed that you can’t drink as much as you used to?

22. Do you sometimes stay drunk for several days at a time?

23. After periods of drinking do you sometimes see or hear things that aren’t there?

24. Have you ever gone to anyone for help about your drinking?

25. Do you ever feel depressed or anxious before, during or after periods of heavy drinking?

26. Have any of your blood relatives ever had a problem with alcohol?

I truly hope you are able to stop yourself from going further into problem drinking and learn coping skills which aren't harmful. You have a lot of living ahead of you.
 
I have noticed a few of people who have replied to this thread are in AA ( including myself), they are offering good advice and can notices the patterns from years of seeing it and going through it themselves.

My drinking started mostly as social but then I started to drink by myself. Then before going to work. Then after work to ease my anxiety of my stressful job. But at the time it was also still social and social drinking gave me a false impression that my other drinking was okay. The people I was around didn't have good habits either and I picked up some of their crap along with mine.

Don't let social drinking set the standard for you.
 
For me one of the keys was ridding myself of the toxic people in my life. When you surround yourself with toxic people you bring on toxic behavior. What I need to do is surround myself with positive people who provide positive encouragement.
 
Okay, so! Update:

I talked to my therapist about what I was dealing with and what I thought it was about and she told me she's not even remotely worried about me and that it doesn't even sound that unhealthy. What we decided was that if it's more about my dislike of my behavior, then that's something we can address but that it seems like I already know what the issue is.

I proposed that a nice balance is that once upon a time I had to be the soberer one to take care of other people. Now I'm being the less sober one because it's nice to be unburdened and have others take care of me. But the balance would obviously be to just focus on taking care of myself.

She told me she doesn't think I need to take a break from social drinking unless I want one and that I might even consider telling my very supportive friends that if they think I'm at a good place to give me a signal so that I don't have another drink. She said she thinks there's a balance that I'm trying to find between really having fun after a long period of depression (because the depression is now lifting a little) and learning to really take care of myself because I'm important enough to take care of. She also said it seemed like being taken care of is such a new thing for me that it makes sense that I'm taking a little advantage of that. I said that now that I know it exists, maybe I can stop testing it out by having more than I normally would.


So. I appreciate everyone's feedback and concern; please don't think that I wasn't taking in what was being said. I just think there was some misunderstanding going on because obviously we're all a little hypervigilant when it comes to addiction.

Basically my therapist said I'm 27 and I've been depressed so I should be going out and having fun because there's obviously a part of me that really needs it, that she's not worried about me in that regard, but that if I want to change the behavior, I have tools at my disposal.
 
Fair enough. I won't reply to your future posts as you're not posting things which you want honest feedback from people who perhaps have a bit more experience in this area than you do.

Please read my above reply. I do appreciate your feedback, but I also think there was some misunderstanding involved. Please feel free to comment on my posts in the future. I would love to hear what you have to say.
 
I hope you do speak with your Therapist. Your children need you. You deserve better than to become a full-blown alcoholic. Being one, I can honestly say, don't go there if you can avoid it. Being one, I want to say that my shares are not a 'morality' judgment, though it might feel that way from your end.

Thank you for saying that. I'm twenty-seven without children, so it's just about me learning to take care of myself and figuring out what I need and what I want and finding the best ways to give myself that in a healthy, productive way. Which is what my therapist and I talked about today. Please read my update about my therapy session.

Also, I went through your list of questions after my therapy today just to check-in with myself about it and the vast majority of my answers were "no".
 
I need to take a break from social drinking unless I want one

Why drink in the first place? What is the point?

I've been depressed

Drinking and depression are really not a good mix. When you know you have a history of depression and mental illness you should be more careful about what could make it worse.

I've been depressed so I should be going out and having fun

There are other ways of having fun. Believe me.

The problem is it is effecting your life and your children in a negative way. Is that something you told your therapist about? I can't see how your therapist is okay with this with your history of depression.
 
The problem is it is effecting your life and your children in a negative way. Is that something you told your therapist about? I can't see how your therapist is okay with this with your history of depression.

I don't have children and it isn't effecting my life at all, really. One of the things my therapist and I discussed in our session today was that it seems like it isn't that I'm doing anything overtly wrong or uncommon for normal people my age or even dangerous, but that there's something about the behavior that I personally don't like and that's where the issue is coming from.

I do have fun in other ways; the social drinking scenarios are not even most of my social activities, but it is something that happens because I'm living in a pretty magical time in my twenties with really great friends.

The only thing my therapist and I discussed that I really need to be mindful of is alcohol as a depressant and that it can mess with my medication.

I really do appreciate the concern, but I'm gonna go with my therapist on this one.
 
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