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Well Evie, in private I might answer that off the cuff, but here I gotta be carrrrreful. MMM mmm.
I have to admit to thinking that Anthony lumped all of us women into the "emotional" category instead of the "logical" category. Personally, I see myself more "logical", so I almost took offense. Almost!
I, too, am curious Cactus Jack, what IT is that the women here "just don't get"??!!
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I, too, am curious Cactus Jack, what IT is that the women here "just don't get"??!!
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Hi Rachel,
Not dumping women or men into any category, just outlining specific known scientific facts of gender. It is not that women are dumped into "being emotional" category, but as I stated, women "are more emotional" than men typically. You can read into that if you want, you can read around it and attempt to interpret it, but the scientific facts remain that women are more readily available to process at the emotional level than men. Men scientifically proven will instead skip the emotion and try to "fix" the problem, even when no problem really exists or it is not in need of fixing, men do not process as readily at the emotional level.
Both sexes can change and adapt though through learning of one another. For example; when you put men and women into an Army training environment, you will find the "majority" of men will outperform the women because men are scientifically factually stronger than the majority of women. Saying that, you will always have the few males who simply cannot achieve the benchmark.
The benchmark for women in such training is often set more realistically for the scientifically proven factual structure of the female body, being that it is not made of primarily muscle and does not produce muscle as readily. Saying that, the majority of women will meet that benchmark. A few will still fail it, a few will actually excel beyond it to the level of males and even beyond some males, but I discuss majority, not the few.
It is scientifically proven and fact that women are actually the smarter of the two sexes. It is scientifically proven and fact that men are the stronger of both sexes.
This is not a competition, these are proven examples to get across what is being said here, in that both men and women have strengths and weaknesses, accepting those strengths and weaknesses and then helping one another to improve each others weaknesses at the mental level, not physical, but mental level as that is where PTSD derives and that is what this forum is about. People stop processing where they are at times, in that what is said here is about PTSD and it relation to the human body, instead take it on some personal journey or belief. This forum is about PTSD, so the "majority" of topics are about PTSD or an issue surrounding PTSD. This is one of those matters.... male and female indifference and where both sexes actually can assist the other.
It is scientific fact that more males run corporations than females, and the reason for that was not discovered to be that the men are smarter, but the results proved men get the job done without emotion. So in those cases, less emotion is far superior than more emotion. It was proven that women became to bitchy with female employee's, they tend to compete against one another, where males just exist with one another and get on the majority of the time. This comes back to the scientific facts, females are proven to be smarter, they retain more knowledge than men, their brains often function faster and superior to a males, though their emotional scope is what deters them often running corporations because they compete against other females instead of existing with them. The dumber male actually runs the corporation because they show less emotion.
Great in that world, these are facts and scientifically proven. Turn the tables to PTSD.... now emotional processing is required. Who is the superior sex at that from birth? Women. The female anatomy is designed that way compared to the male, though males can learn emotional processes, it just comes natural to females, males have to work at it. Vice versa now, self esteem, males typically have an abundance of it, females do not. It can be learnt, and whilst it comes natural to males, females can learn to built quite a healthy self esteem.
These are the points of this discussion. Its not an argument or put down to either sex, its about how both sexes can help one another.
Not dumping women or men into any category, just outlining specific known scientific facts of gender. It is not that women are dumped into "being emotional" category, but as I stated, women "are more emotional" than men typically. You can read into that if you want, you can read around it and attempt to interpret it, but the scientific facts remain that women are more readily available to process at the emotional level than men. Men scientifically proven will instead skip the emotion and try to "fix" the problem, even when no problem really exists or it is not in need of fixing, men do not process as readily at the emotional level.
Both sexes can change and adapt though through learning of one another. For example; when you put men and women into an Army training environment, you will find the "majority" of men will outperform the women because men are scientifically factually stronger than the majority of women. Saying that, you will always have the few males who simply cannot achieve the benchmark.
The benchmark for women in such training is often set more realistically for the scientifically proven factual structure of the female body, being that it is not made of primarily muscle and does not produce muscle as readily. Saying that, the majority of women will meet that benchmark. A few will still fail it, a few will actually excel beyond it to the level of males and even beyond some males, but I discuss majority, not the few.
It is scientifically proven and fact that women are actually the smarter of the two sexes. It is scientifically proven and fact that men are the stronger of both sexes.
This is not a competition, these are proven examples to get across what is being said here, in that both men and women have strengths and weaknesses, accepting those strengths and weaknesses and then helping one another to improve each others weaknesses at the mental level, not physical, but mental level as that is where PTSD derives and that is what this forum is about. People stop processing where they are at times, in that what is said here is about PTSD and it relation to the human body, instead take it on some personal journey or belief. This forum is about PTSD, so the "majority" of topics are about PTSD or an issue surrounding PTSD. This is one of those matters.... male and female indifference and where both sexes actually can assist the other.
It is scientific fact that more males run corporations than females, and the reason for that was not discovered to be that the men are smarter, but the results proved men get the job done without emotion. So in those cases, less emotion is far superior than more emotion. It was proven that women became to bitchy with female employee's, they tend to compete against one another, where males just exist with one another and get on the majority of the time. This comes back to the scientific facts, females are proven to be smarter, they retain more knowledge than men, their brains often function faster and superior to a males, though their emotional scope is what deters them often running corporations because they compete against other females instead of existing with them. The dumber male actually runs the corporation because they show less emotion.
Great in that world, these are facts and scientifically proven. Turn the tables to PTSD.... now emotional processing is required. Who is the superior sex at that from birth? Women. The female anatomy is designed that way compared to the male, though males can learn emotional processes, it just comes natural to females, males have to work at it. Vice versa now, self esteem, males typically have an abundance of it, females do not. It can be learnt, and whilst it comes natural to males, females can learn to built quite a healthy self esteem.
These are the points of this discussion. Its not an argument or put down to either sex, its about how both sexes can help one another.
Anthony, I was inclined to agree with your original post regarding the benefits of a balanced gender population here. There is a lot we can learn from each other. I have a rather "male" mentality, so I could learn a lot from people who are more emotionally sophisticated, which tends to be women. I think this is due to socio-psychological development more than anything.
However, I was rather turned off by the "scientific facts" in which you use to support your opinion. I don't agree with those facts nor do I think they adequately and respectfully support the benefits of each genders' contribution to the forum. Lastly, gender is but just one facet of each individual's contribution.
It's all good peeps. We can all agree to disagree. We all have an opinion, they don't have to be the same- that would be boring and dangerous. Each of us discovers his/her own "truths" in life. Take what you can to help you discover yours and leave the rest.
Kindly and respectfully,
tude
However, I was rather turned off by the "scientific facts" in which you use to support your opinion. I don't agree with those facts nor do I think they adequately and respectfully support the benefits of each genders' contribution to the forum. Lastly, gender is but just one facet of each individual's contribution.
It's all good peeps. We can all agree to disagree. We all have an opinion, they don't have to be the same- that would be boring and dangerous. Each of us discovers his/her own "truths" in life. Take what you can to help you discover yours and leave the rest.
Kindly and respectfully,
tude
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Ok...I don't want to necessarily throw more confusion into this but I guess we're talking sexes here not genders...Sex is bilogical, gender a social construct.
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RD, sexes being 'male' & 'female' so gender if you like...
Tude, agree to disagree yes... and it would be boring if we all agreed. But please do not read into it and do not adapt it to yourself. This discussion is broad, not individual. Gender is a referred statement, not a personal statement to any person. I use science and facts because until they show as a majority otherwise, they are conclusive within limits to the term / expression majority.
Tude, agree to disagree yes... and it would be boring if we all agreed. But please do not read into it and do not adapt it to yourself. This discussion is broad, not individual. Gender is a referred statement, not a personal statement to any person. I use science and facts because until they show as a majority otherwise, they are conclusive within limits to the term / expression majority.
Seeking_Nirvana
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I'm all about balance and it takes females and males to achieve it IMO. I had an online friend who once was a psychiatrist but developed bipolar and had to quit.
He was the best teacher I ever had. I would send him boo hoo e-mails about my poor pathetic life and he would tell me to get over it and that I'm not a victim I'm a survivor.
He also taught me about achieving boundaries and to accept the dark side of myself which was one of the scariest things I ever did, and he helped me along the way.
He shared some of his truths with me as being a male and as I found it hard to tolerate at times, I certainly understand the male gender more than I once did.
My female friends would just tell me they were sorry and sugar coat everything. He made me see so many truths about myself I would have never seen. I've been trying to incorporate masculine traits into my personality to achieve balance and he has been guiding me.
He is a brilliant man, none have ever came close to the insight and teachings he gave to me on how to deal with life. In just about every e-mail he would tell me balance is the goal and it's OK to be emotional, but lets try to reason out some of these problems instead of feeling passive about them and letting them fester until I became passive- aggressive.
Cactus, I guarantee anything you tell me it would not offend me and I almost bet I could understand it or "get it" PM me and with something and I will show you.
Yin & Yang = balance
Tammy
He was the best teacher I ever had. I would send him boo hoo e-mails about my poor pathetic life and he would tell me to get over it and that I'm not a victim I'm a survivor.
He also taught me about achieving boundaries and to accept the dark side of myself which was one of the scariest things I ever did, and he helped me along the way.
He shared some of his truths with me as being a male and as I found it hard to tolerate at times, I certainly understand the male gender more than I once did.
My female friends would just tell me they were sorry and sugar coat everything. He made me see so many truths about myself I would have never seen. I've been trying to incorporate masculine traits into my personality to achieve balance and he has been guiding me.
He is a brilliant man, none have ever came close to the insight and teachings he gave to me on how to deal with life. In just about every e-mail he would tell me balance is the goal and it's OK to be emotional, but lets try to reason out some of these problems instead of feeling passive about them and letting them fester until I became passive- aggressive.
Cactus, I guarantee anything you tell me it would not offend me and I almost bet I could understand it or "get it" PM me and with something and I will show you.
Yin & Yang = balance
Tammy
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anthony
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Very well said Tammy. I know it was actually two females who really assisted me to take on my emotional well-being, it certainly was not males. One was my therapist and one was a social worker who did therapy with me as part of my PTSD course. Both very influential in getting me to understand that being a male and pushing my problems down, just wasn't helping me; instead to adopt a more female approach with accepting my emotional self and understanding that self, being honest with my emotions and not ignoring them.
Well said Tammy.
Well said Tammy.
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I have had far more luck with male counselors. The last woman played head games with me and when I tried to find out why or the purpose or what have you, she told me "I'll let you think about it until our next session". Infuriating. Succeeded in accomplishing absolutely nothing.
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Perhaps she wanted you to figure it out for yourself CJ rather than just telling you as that is often more enlightening. :rolleyes:
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