The Albatross
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I think aptitude trumps intelligence (IQ-wise)... any day.
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Does Anyone Have A High Iq
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Well, there are many sides of it, but yes, ability and of course will and power to do something surpass intelligence as itself. Not much use of an intelligent person that doesn't really do much. But I would cut off the any day part, because in many situations intelligence on wide scale, as ability to learn fast and so on can trump aptitude, as a person with natural ability doesn't have to be adjustable to learning.other stuff, while an intelligent person can spread across many branches of knowledge, a jack of all trades can often be.more successful than a master of one trade. But for a solid part you are right on your part.
Well, there are many sides of it, but yes, ability and of course will and power to do something surpass intelligence as itself. Not much use of an intelligent person that doesn't really do much. But I would cut off the any day part, because in many situations intelligence on wide scale, as ability to learn fast and so on can trump aptitude, as a person with natural ability doesn't have to be adjustable to learning.other stuff, while an intelligent person can spread across many branches of knowledge, a jack of all trades can often be.more successful than a master of one trade. But for a solid part you are right on your part.
I know a lot of high-IQ people who lack in sensitivity or other useful qualities. I also don't feel cool talking about IQ, but I've wondered about some connections to nervous system operation.
As for working with a therapist, I've been creeped out by extremely bright people and I've felt very comfortable around others who were extremely bright. So IQ isn't really it for me. Maybe more like ability to think globally and form new questions matters more (though this often accompanies high intelligence)....vs making quick decisions or judgments. I've had therapists who were certainly bright but couldn't just be okay wondering about something that was really murky or unclear...it was always more about diagnosing every behavior or fitting it into some model that fit their own experience. They felt they always had to have an answer and it didn't feel helpful to me.
And like others have said, sensitivity and empathy are pretty important! My current therapist "reads" me better...vs seeming to be informed by preconceived or bookish knowledge and fitting me into what she knows. I don't really trust the genius who looks like nobody is home and talks like Charlie Brown's teacher.
As for trauma connection to IQ, probably PTSD just increases existing sensitivity and/or isolation (though I don't high IQ always relates to sensitivity). if there is any correlation, I've wondered some about Dabrowski's theory of "over-excitabilities". My good and bad hyper energy all feeds into each other....or I over-compensate for bad energy with extreme levels of distraction. I'm almost always on some sort of adrenaline high I can't get off of. Anyway, Dabrowski thinks of giftedness as being particularly a nervous system sensitivity, or excitability. We can have different excitabilities, or all of them to some degree (psychomotor, intellectual, emotional, sensual...). I related a lot to studying his stuff because I've always felt WIRED. Hyper-sensitive, taking in too much info from my environment. I notice too much, I think too much, I talk too fast, I move too much, etc. It has helped to have a therapist who respects a certain degree of this without asking me if I might have ADHD...or WHAT my problem is....:alien::alien::alien::alien::alien:
I wouldn't know if it's connected to my trauma, but my major trauma was very very early in life and I also grew up in an unpredictable, sometimes terrorizing, environment...and probably because hyper-alert to changes. Also, my thoughts were always fast and either all over the place or hyper-focused, sometimes out of sheer curiosity, other times as a need to distract myself. So, in some part there might be some nervous system and behavioral adaptation. But honestly, the only research I've seen points to potential for lower cognition in children who are traumatized. When very young I struggled a lot and needed extra tutoring. Though I don't think I was dumb....just very disorganized in my head. I think my adaptations to the world helped me do really well in school eventually. And certainly sensitivity counts for something, whether inherent or somewhat related to the overly reactive nervous system (I really suspect both).
As for working with a therapist, I've been creeped out by extremely bright people and I've felt very comfortable around others who were extremely bright. So IQ isn't really it for me. Maybe more like ability to think globally and form new questions matters more (though this often accompanies high intelligence)....vs making quick decisions or judgments. I've had therapists who were certainly bright but couldn't just be okay wondering about something that was really murky or unclear...it was always more about diagnosing every behavior or fitting it into some model that fit their own experience. They felt they always had to have an answer and it didn't feel helpful to me.
And like others have said, sensitivity and empathy are pretty important! My current therapist "reads" me better...vs seeming to be informed by preconceived or bookish knowledge and fitting me into what she knows. I don't really trust the genius who looks like nobody is home and talks like Charlie Brown's teacher.
As for trauma connection to IQ, probably PTSD just increases existing sensitivity and/or isolation (though I don't high IQ always relates to sensitivity). if there is any correlation, I've wondered some about Dabrowski's theory of "over-excitabilities". My good and bad hyper energy all feeds into each other....or I over-compensate for bad energy with extreme levels of distraction. I'm almost always on some sort of adrenaline high I can't get off of. Anyway, Dabrowski thinks of giftedness as being particularly a nervous system sensitivity, or excitability. We can have different excitabilities, or all of them to some degree (psychomotor, intellectual, emotional, sensual...). I related a lot to studying his stuff because I've always felt WIRED. Hyper-sensitive, taking in too much info from my environment. I notice too much, I think too much, I talk too fast, I move too much, etc. It has helped to have a therapist who respects a certain degree of this without asking me if I might have ADHD...or WHAT my problem is....:alien::alien::alien::alien::alien:
I wouldn't know if it's connected to my trauma, but my major trauma was very very early in life and I also grew up in an unpredictable, sometimes terrorizing, environment...and probably because hyper-alert to changes. Also, my thoughts were always fast and either all over the place or hyper-focused, sometimes out of sheer curiosity, other times as a need to distract myself. So, in some part there might be some nervous system and behavioral adaptation. But honestly, the only research I've seen points to potential for lower cognition in children who are traumatized. When very young I struggled a lot and needed extra tutoring. Though I don't think I was dumb....just very disorganized in my head. I think my adaptations to the world helped me do really well in school eventually. And certainly sensitivity counts for something, whether inherent or somewhat related to the overly reactive nervous system (I really suspect both).
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@missbliss.....
low level IQ therapists who can't cure PTSD? I hate to break it to you, but NO therapist, not even the genius level ones can *cure* PTSD. There is no cure for PTSD. You can heal, but will forever have to manage the stress levels and such in your life.
low level IQ therapists who can't cure PTSD? I hate to break it to you, but NO therapist, not even the genius level ones can *cure* PTSD. There is no cure for PTSD. You can heal, but will forever have to manage the stress levels and such in your life.
It depends on what you mean by "high IQ." Beyond a certain point you become removed from the majority of the population. For example, it can be difficult to find others who can relate to and understand you when there are only 1000 of you in existence at any given time. How would you even find those others?
If you're in that kind of category it's really important to find ways to connect with others on a very basic level. There are things all humans tend to have in common regardless of IQ. Religion and/or volunteering can really help you find things in common with others and find ways to connect with them.
If you're in that kind of category it's really important to find ways to connect with others on a very basic level. There are things all humans tend to have in common regardless of IQ. Religion and/or volunteering can really help you find things in common with others and find ways to connect with them.
I read somewhere or maybe a therapist told me that most ADD people have high I.Q.s. I have analyzed myself to death and know what is wrong and can't change until I process it through EMDR with my therapist's help. Thank goodness she is compassionate and intelligent and practices the process like it's second nature. So many dullards keep asking ask why?, what do you mean?, like I'm supposed to waste time explaining a simple statement. Or tell me what I already know without them realizing there's a reason I can't change. I think they do it to keep from admitting they have no idea what to say because I am talking over their head. My intelligence doesn't help in personal analysis because I need someone to see me globally and reflect back what I'm missing. That is not a gift that all with a high I.Q have, but I am sick of wasting time and money with people who know less than I do about my particular problems. I do know I need a lot of emotional support and it would be nice to get positive feedback instead of me talking and getting no response. I am 65 and been in and out of therapy 45 years. Don't confuse intelligence with someone who intellectualizes or tries to act as if they have superior knowledge because the fact is most go into that field because they have problems and most are in denial. We are all Bozos on the same bus and no one has a right to make me feel less than them. I am happy to listen if they tell me something that is helpful, not trite irrelevant guesses.
The best therapists are those who have gone through similar problems and come out the other side having learned objective truth through diligence and suffering, i.e. someone you can have confidence in because it's not hypothetical to them if they did what it took to change and can teach you how to do it because it works. They are more able to know if you head off the path because they know the path first hand. But try finding someone like that - it's one in a million. I am completely dependent on God and have the hope of my future in eternity with Him, when my body no longer belongs to this world and is free from its weaknesses.
The best therapists are those who have gone through similar problems and come out the other side having learned objective truth through diligence and suffering, i.e. someone you can have confidence in because it's not hypothetical to them if they did what it took to change and can teach you how to do it because it works. They are more able to know if you head off the path because they know the path first hand. But try finding someone like that - it's one in a million. I am completely dependent on God and have the hope of my future in eternity with Him, when my body no longer belongs to this world and is free from its weaknesses.
I do not agree that PTSD is correlated with low IQ. And high IQ people do need high IQ therapists. I am such a therapist and have also been a client. The work is very different in my experience between people with average and very high IQs. Great question. Giftedness involves much more than just scoring well on tests; it also comes with high sensitivity and a capacity for high abstract thought.
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HëllaBubz
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I spent the better part of my life thinking and being I was an idiot, and trying desperately to feel intelligent. I tested in the 90s in highschool, in the low 100s as an older teen, early 20s was 120s, and on a triggered bad day a week ago I tested at 119.
My point? My test results seem almost inextricably linked to how I've learned to life solve and change perspectives rapidly over time.
IQ is nothing if you are your own worst enemy and cannot change the lenses in the glasses through which you appraise life.
My point? My test results seem almost inextricably linked to how I've learned to life solve and change perspectives rapidly over time.
IQ is nothing if you are your own worst enemy and cannot change the lenses in the glasses through which you appraise life.
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Before my first TBI my score was in the 130 range. After #1, I was in the 120 range. After #2 no idea as I wasn't tested. After #3 I have been in the 105 range. :(
I just did an online IQ test and I pulled a 113 score. Accuracy is debateable.
I just did an online IQ test and I pulled a 113 score. Accuracy is debateable.
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HëllaBubz
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Yeah. My T thinks if I was running at full capacity I'd be in the 130 range. Bloody PTSD. Guess no one will ever know!
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