News Why It's So Hard To Talk To White People About Racism

[EveHarrington]

Interesting thread. I'll have to read it all (15 pages!!!) before I comment though. It will be interesting to see what others have to say.

 

[Ed Norton]

Yes @EveHarrington. This is a complex thread with complex issues. I think that only through what is called 'compassionate' listening can any real resolution or peace be had here. I can't remember the name of that Buddhist guy who explained compassionate listening but I think that I understood the concept thereof before he elaborated and elucidated on the compassionate listening process.

 

[Recovery4Me]

@Ed Norton

Here's one...
“Compassion is the radicalism of our time.”
―Dalai Lama XIV

 

[Stickler]

No matter how hard I try I can't fully understand what it is like to be a person of color in this country.
From what people of color tell me, they experience racism...which is not just individual prejudice; It is interlocked systemic oppression. I believe them not just because so many of them report it, I believe it due to the massive amount of evidence supporting racism is alive and well.

...I say I live in a society that advantages males...and guys tell me " Oh, it's not that bad."
Um, yeah, dude, it is.
Stop gaslighting me and trying to tell me about my lived experience, alright?

For a white person to say to a person of color "Oh, it's not that bad..." is, in most cases, a direct contradiction to that individual's lived experience.
Telling someone who's been personally oppressed " we're a color blind society, racism is over..." is self-deception in the teller and an attempt to gaslight the person who has experienced racist oppression.

My ex wife found a KKK recruiting flyer in our driveway, alright? The Klan flyered the damn neighborhood. I go to grocery stores and see white guys with Nazi SS tattoos.( I did today, I did a month ago)

Apparently I'm imagining these things.

@Recovery4Me I noted that bigotry excludes fellow human beings from our compassion based on whatever arbitrary prejudice the bigot has.
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[Ed Norton]

Oh WHITE institutionalized, systemic racism exists..prisons, schools, POLICE, courts, THE BRONX...

Just not ALL whites not even most but 'enough'

KKK, Chimpout stuff is on a different level...they are pathetic...too weak for words

 

[Ed Norton]

I think that some of the stuff I said here may be unpopular, harsh...maybe some of my family would be upset with it. I don't care. Facts must be faced!

 

[joeylittle]

For a white person to say to a person of color "Oh, it's not that bad..." is, in most cases, a direct contradiction to that individual's lived experience.

True, this.

Meanwhile Native American Teens in vast numbers are committing suicide on the Reservation due to economical & various other factors or what is left after the entitlement transferred several times to multiple peoples, races and creeds.

This is another reason why it's important to talk about racism, no matter how painful. And to me, it's why the thread title isn't a problem. I'm not going to open up the big debate about privilege again, because I think I said all I have to say on the matter. But personally, as a person who checks the box 'white, non-hispanic' on a demographic sheet, I have no problem saying that it's hard to talk to white people about racism. I'd rather careen into the issue headlong in an effort to at least make some headway, than tiptoe around it in an effort to create inclusion when the subject is exclusion.

We can talk about both things, always, and should; but the conversation about inclusivity does not replace the one about bigotry, it just can't. Not yet.

 

[Ed Norton]

I like chilling with the White people who you don't need to talk about racism with. All others will waste my time. Dang you White people chill with difficult White people!
Lol

 

[Recovery4Me]

I have no problem saying that it's hard to talk to white people about racism.

Tolerance is definitely key to our community and I am not equipped to flex with your mental prowess. However, the Stockholm Syndrome is a good example of how when power transitions, some action-urges do not. If nothing is learned from the mistakes of history, then there is a large probability that history may repeat itself. To me, that would be sad.

It is offered by tribes that people have a good wolf and a bad wolf...feed the good and see beyond the color of skin.

"We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them." ~Albert Einstein

:notworthy:

 

[Ed Norton]

BTW even if 'White"privilege is a thing and I don't know. I don't care not a factor in my life not my problem. I don't care if they priveleged.

My typical debate style is too tedious. First I make the case for what I'm debating, then I make the case against it, finally I show why the case for it IS the case against it.

I wish I even read the whole thread but I don't need to.

I'm not on my device but I thought of a lot more.

That conversation when we return. I'm not looking to argue. I'm looking for the truth.I learned a lot from this dude pugilistic animus from another forum

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...IBHkuAza5FIC8rRrg&sig2=nExKgrtF8fWCwQgCqu0AVg
I think he and that Old Smokey dude are in cahoots and I think they may know one another very well...;)

 

[Ed Norton]

My brother 'the judge' does so great on job (phone) interviews but as soon as they see his face, like magic the job is gone.*

Is that what 'White privilege' Means to people? Serious question. I call that blatant racist discrimination.actually if the White people would hire him; it would be a White privilege. Cuz he's the best judge ever! (Really an electrical engineer/computer dude)

I'm the one who taught him the calculus and how to drive. I was very defensive and protective over the judge and the aforementioned shit hurts me too!


*Yes, I know this never occurs :rolleyes:

 

[Ed Norton]

Video et taceo



I HATE this thread.