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Baby Boomers Got A Rough Deal - No Doubt

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I don't see anyone here blaming the world,
Nor do I, and I am wondering about where the hostility on this thread comes from. What I see is not someone blaming or even whining, I see an attempt to understand one's own suffering in terms of a broader cultural context, which in my view is a step towards resolution, i.e., "I was traumatized in the same way as a lot of other people because this is the context I was raised in, and my parents did these things to me because of the context they were raised in." Moving from self as inherently flawed to self as suffering the consequences of the times; moving from "me" to "we". It seems perfectly reasonable to me. I also think that on this forum one should be allowed to do a certain amount of complaining without fear of censure - PTSD is a painful condition after all - but I don't see the OP as complaining in any unreasonable way.

And you are quite right, it is that "poisonous pedagogy" as Alice Miller puts it (yet another book recommendation, somehow you inspire them in me missbliss!) that has allowed so many to grow up without the resources to live at their full potential. I don't see it as having begun in the 1950s especially. What the 1950s might have as a characteristic trait is the growth of psychiatric experimentation, for want of a better way to put it. The punitive model of raising children was still the norm, but science was getting its foot in the door. There was also a rise in industrialization and consumerism, and a simultaneous move away from nature and a slower pace of life, which would have to have deleterious effects on children raised in that model. The recommendations about child rearing that interrupted the bonding process, though, began in a big way in the 1920s, and the big surge of medicating children began in the 1980s.

My mother was raised in the 1930s, and she has a lot to say about a popular book back then that advocated not handling babies any more than absolutely necessary, and how much being raised that way messed her up. When I have tried to explain to her how badly I feel she neglected me (raised in the 1970s) she doesn't really get it because, she says, she can't miss what she never knew she was supposed to get so she doesn't know she was supposed to have given it to me. I don't really buy that logic because I never got that nurturing either but can absolutely feel the lack. I can understand where her lack of ability to nurture comes from though.

Gentle support to you as you work out how to heal that wound missbliss.
 
but I don't see the OP as complaining in any unreasonable way.
I don't think I see it as "unreasonable" exactly, more like overly generalized and a bit misplaced. And, I, personally, don't think my generation got a bad deal at ALL. I'm kind of happy with antibiotics and vaccinations. Lots of kids in my dad's generation got polio. Some of them died. I don't know anyone MY age who got polio. I don't know anyone who got smallpox either. And the only cases of whooping cough I'm aware of are people who either weren't vaccinated or where the vaccine may have worn off. Most people today survive appendicitis. When my grandmother got breast cancer, the only treatment was radiation and it didn't work well. Now, who knows, she might survive it and live long enough that I'd have met her. I don't know anyone who had to quit school in 7th grade and go to work, except one of my dad's brothers. None of my classmates did. And, guess what? I can vote! How cool is that?

No, I don't think the baby boomers got a bad deal. We got a deal, same as everyone else in human history. Blaming our personal misfortunes and problems on the generation we were born in to doesn't seem useful to me. That's JMO mind you. Everyone is entitled to their own, including @missbliss . If my comment about "whine and cheese" was excessively negative, I apologize. My sense of humor isn't always everyone's cup of tea. I WAS trying to be funny, while making the point that blaming the generation you were born into seems a bit over the top.
 
I don't think the baby boomers got a bad deal at all. The economy at the time made it so they could buy a HOUSE for the cheapest amount in the entire history of the world. I don't feel bad for them. They basically paved the way for society to be the way it is right now, and then blamed my generation for it. They seem to be filled with narcissistic parents that have raised the empathic generation that are picking up the pieces of their ruined lives because of it. Whether that is useful or not to acknowledge is not my intention for admitting it. It's just the way it is. Every generation paves the way for the next and because we are still so unevolved, previous generations f*ck up...alot.

I've met a guy who was raised in this generation and his mother hit him over the head with a hammer and then put HIM in an institution! Things are not perfect in the world of psychiatry today, but they are not half as barbaric as they were back then. Some people did have a very rough time of it, and I don't think it's a bad thing to acknowledge that. I didn't take it as complaining.
 
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The economy at the time made it so they could buy a HOUSE for the cheapest amount in the entire history of the world. I
THAT, I'm going to disagree with, at least in the US. Here, the generation who probably got the best economic deal was BEFORE the so called baby boomers. In the US, real wages haven't increased for the average person since the mid 70's. About the time I graduated from high school, actually. We had a major economic downturn right about the time I graduated from college too. But, there are ALWAYS major economic downturns.

The whole "generational warfare" thing is one of my pet peeves. In some way, every generation has challenges and every one has advantages. All the blaming is a waste of time and energy. All the sweeping generalizations are not only unfair, they are not productive.

If I can manage to get it done, I'm posting a link to an article on housing prices since 1900 in the US for your consideration http://observationsandnotes.blogspot.com/2011/07/housing-prices-inflation-since-1900.html
 
A friend who died a few years back, had told me some of the stories from his student days of working in a mental hospital as he did re sits to get back into medical school.
This was first half of the 1970s. Ect seemed to be prescribed for some who didn't show the staff the deference the seemed to feel entitled to. He described one girl who was killed that way..
My friend was bright, he later got a doctorate and was technical director of a high tech company when he was in his thirties, as a student working as an auxiliary, the hospital Admins tried to have him deciding on admissions during some of the strikes that plagued Britain back then.
The final straw was when he went on a date with one of the nurses and she slit his wrists, and then her own "now well always be together". She cut her own arteries but missed his,so he was able to stop her bleeding and call for help, after she passed out.

Yes, 1970s mental hospitals. That one at least, appears to have been something of a nightmare.

Jump forward to the 1980s and a boy I was at school with had tourettes. There's nothing life threatening about the tourettes, and 17 year old boys don't usually go dropping dead. He did. I strongly suspect that it was the drugs he was on in order to save other peoples embarrassment at his shouts.has
 
The whole "generational warfare" thing is one of my pet peeves. In some way, every generation has challenges and every one has advantages. All the blaming is a waste of time and energy. All the sweeping generalizations are not only unfair, they are not productive.

It may be a waste of time and energy or not. I think it is important to speak the truth about these things...especially when one lot of people are blaming another for the way things turned out...i.e, the baby boomers. You cannot expect a generation of young people to not react to being made to be the reason society is f*cked!

Historical accuracy is important, at least to me it is...and being one of those kids that their generation treated as being a 'menace to society' for simply being young, I especially believe in accountability, even if they are too chicken shit to admit it. I did have one old fellow years ago apologise to me on behalf of his generation...which I hold dear in my memory.

If I can manage to get it done, I'm posting a link to an article on housing prices since 1900 in the US for your consideration http://observationsandnotes.blogspot.com/2011/07/housing-prices-inflation-since-1900.html

Thanks, I'll have a look. :)
 
Part of the problem with over generalization, as well as ignoring correlation is not causation ... Is that it fails to source out real and necessary reasons why some practices were best at the time.

- Scheduled feedings (instead of feeding on demand) & early introduction to solid foods (6mo instead of 12-24mo) is a direct byproduct or the World Wars. Women needed to work. Period. In factories that would have proved lethal for infants and small children, women were not stupid enough to bring their smallest children to be killed. As such, they could not be nursed/breastfed. As such, they needed formula. Formulas of various kinds have been around for thousands of years... Parents have always loved their kids. And not all mothers can nurse, have access to wet nurses, or are even alive. The formulas designed during the first & second world wars were some of the better ones used historically... But they had a very real danger: intestinal torsion. Aka twisted gut. Aka death, if fed too often or if the baby was allowed to move about too much immediately following feeding (stomach needs to rest). These formulas, in addition to being dangerous, were also difficult to digest, and nowhere near as nutritious as table food (the inverse is true today, modern formula is exponentially more nutritious than table food, although still not as ideal as breast milk, since ntrients don't fluctuate according to biological cues, as they do with breast milk in a healthy nursing mother whose body is performing ideally). So babies were taken off of formula and fed table food as early as possible. Even though babies develop at different rates (bell curve) and only the smallest percentage are ready at 6 months... The accompany problems were deemed (rightly) better than the constant risk of dying of a twisted gut. Just as the risk of dying of a twisted gut was deemed far more acceptable than dying of starvation / failure to thrive.

- Having as little physical contact with babies, firstly never applied to primary caregivers, and secondly stems from the very real epidemics & pandemics (and budding understanding of germs / disease transmission), as well as the complete lack of vaccinations & efficient medications to treat infections. The 1918 Influenza Pandemic killed between 20,000,000 & 40,000,000. https://virus.stanford.edu/uda/ But it was hardly the only lethal illness out there. Measles epidemics occurred every few years, killing millions ( Link Removed ), and things we don't even blink at today in the first world will curl your hair if you go look up mortality and morbidity stats. The single best way to protect your baby pre-vax & readily available antibiotics & anti-fever meds was to limit exposure. This meant not allowing people to handle or breathe on your infant (2years and younger) and to handle them yourself as little as possible whenever you were exposing yourself to large crowded environments. Not an issue for most families outside of slums in cities (which had horrifying infant mortality stats) until WWI & WWII, as mother generally stayed home. Once mother was out working? And tracking home every available infection from the factories? If you loved your baby? And understood the science behind germs? You exposed them to as few lethal infections as possible.

- The overwhelming support of circumcision, is another byproduct of WWI & WWII, and of adult male circumcision. Whole units were lined up and cut in military fashion... For "hygiene reasons". Otherwise known as trench foot, or jungle rot, gangrene, and other infections... On epidemic levels on troops in the trenches and the jungles. Fathers, having lost friends due to those infections (instead of being killed by the enemy), or even having returned from the war impotent (due to those infections)... All but universally jumped on the bandwagon for circumcision their infant sons after WWII... So that in this way, at least, their sons didn't have to suffer as they were made to suffer. The war to end all wars, was not in fact the last war. Instead it was seen, by WWII, as the sign of life to come. Men get a little protective of their penis's. Trench-foot, and jungle-rot, and army-circumcisions? Or a snip in the hospital that their Jewish friends didn't even remember? No contest. Dads came home from the war on circ'ing their boys like white on rice. It's not as necessary now, for a huge number of reasons (not the least of which being combat tours, instead of in it to win it / for the duration). But the trend was never seized upon out of some slavish adherence to fashion, or desire to mutilate their children, or take choices away. It was seized upon because nearly every male between the ages of 15-40 (not 4F) was at war for several years, and came home with strong opinions as to at least one thing they could do. They didn't want their boys to suffer as they had.

These and others weren't crackpot theories by pop-psychologists on childrearing &/or experimentation on the masses by some entrenched hegemony. These were real people, doing the best they could, in the situations they found themselves in... With very real threats & dangers. And, by and large, taking extremely reasonable precautions in order to protect their children as best they could.
 
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You cannot expect a generation of young people to not react to being made to be the reason society is f*cked!
No, you sure can., Which is why I sometimes get tired of the "baby boomer bashing". When we were younger, we were "a threat to the survival of the world" and now we "screwed everything up". If "we were actually running the show all by ourselves, I must have missed it.

Did this whole "generation" thing even show up on anyone's radar screen before WWII? At the end of that war, there were a lot of kids born & someone noticed & it's been a big deal ever since.

There is a very famous quote from Socrates about the depravities of the younger generation. Older people tend to get set in their ways and feel threatened. Younger people tend to think they "know it all" and have discovered all the cool ideas for the first time in recorded history. 30 years from now, I predict you might well be hearing the same things you're saying now directed back at you. (Which doesn't make it right.) Meanwhile, I think both sides of this fake divide have things of value to offer.
 
Well, that's possible. I don't really bear a grudge anymore. Back when I was a teenager I did and we were still learning about perspective, evolution and the way things are, and to accept that and get on with it. Young people do not have the emotional maturity to not react to being blamed for things they didn't do. They are forced to experience it and then made to feel like the assholes for the way things are. If the baby boomers were so much more mature, why did they need to blame us for it?

It will be interesting to see...but I dare say we have messed up the environment to such a degree that the next generation of kids will not even get to see many animals except in picture books of now extinct creatures...and that IS our doing. We support a system that is unsustainable and is pillaging from the earth at a rate that it cannot regrow. I'll be in total agreeance with anyone from future generations who blames us for the way things are.
 
Young people do not have the emotional maturity to not react to being blamed for things they didn't do.
Actually, I think MOST people, regardless of age, have that reaction.

And, a "whole generation" never did anything. I totally agree with you about the threat to the environment and the importance of a sustainable culture. So do a lot of people in my generation and in generations before. Unfortunately, "we've" never been powerful enough to enforce our will on anyone else. And maybe a bunch of us aren't inclined to do that anyway. I think you'll find like minded people in all age groups, if you look and give them a chance. Older people are way to fast to stereotype and blow people off too. It's not only wrong, it's stupid. We deprive ourselves of many opportunities to learn when we do that.
 
I've met some like minded people, as I mentioned earlier. I don't write all people from that generation off, even if I generalize in the way I put it. Obviously not all people from the 50's were raging narcissists and that's something that has probably been around for a very long time throughout history.

I don't agree that we've never been powerful enough. We've always had the power to think for ourselves and to use our dollar in a way that is sustainable, but we've only just now started to understand the implications for not putting our money into the better options, and for voting in psychopaths who don't have our interests at heart, and to recognize where we've all been duped and brainwashed into thinking we have no power.

That is something fully within our power, and it always had been. It amazes me how people are only just now waking up from this stupor they've been in for centuries.
 
That depends on who "we" is. You're right, we've always been able to think for ourselves and make good choices, if we decide to. I don't think nearly enough people have ever done that to make it count. I hope that's going to change and that it will change in time to do some good.

The biggest problem I see in voting for the "right" people is actually getting the RIGHT people to run. The system is sort of stacked in favor of the wrong people, or it looks that way to me. (As I understand it, the "official" baby boom is 1946 to 1964. To me, there's a lot of difference between those 2 years and there's a difference between growing up in the 50's or the 60's or 70's.)
 
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