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Buried past...told to put down the shovel

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I in no way meant rape. And I certainly don't mean to imply that you would respond in kind. Just that I...
We know that.
@ShikibuZ I think we understand each other. And I actually do understand, to a limit...
No pain here. I know your message wasn't directed at me. But wanted you to know that I greatly appreciate what both you and @ShikibuZ said.
 
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@Deadman please don't bow out of the conversation, especially because of me. You are well respected in this community, by myself and so many. Rape is a tricky sideshow of horror that, unless experienced (I feel) is so very difficult to understand. I am sorry!
 
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@TexCat A few points to ponder....

1). The ONLY thing that you can control, is HOW you react.
2). Trying to control, how and when memories come to you, is like trying to control the weather. It's impossible. Your mind will only allow what you can handle and you have no control over what will come later.

Personally I think that you are actually hurting yourself mentally by doing what you're doing... you are putting unobtainable demands on yourself which is only causing you more anxiety and IMO harm.....

I will say this again, DEAL with what you know, and leave the digging alone. If you deal with what you know NOW, then when shit comes up, you will be better able to handle it...
 
This struck a cord for me. I tend to obsess with my trauma too. It especially bugs me that I can't remember parts of it and I can get obsessed trying to remember. There is good and bad in this. Learning how to take a break from the obsession or the uncovering of the memory is key for me. However I hate when I am told to leave things in the past by well meaning friends and family. It is there inside of me. It is my story and leaving it in the past is not what I need. The saying should be, "Go ahead and look at it, but carefully and take breaks."
Also, I think maybe it is crossing a line to look him up on facebook. I totally get why you did it, but it is taking it into to a physical context that maybe is too much. Seeing your rapist on facebook as a family guy reminds me a lot of the show "Big Little Lies." (Dont know if I can reference shows on here.) This show depicts a happily married family man who is actually raping and abusing his wife. They show him posting on facebook. So you really dont know if facebook accurately reflects reality or
maybe he got intense therapy. There is good and bad when it comes to looking into your trauma.
 
So how is this not healing? I am having trouble understanding why I was told that this is not healthy.

There's a difference between stopping one thing now, and stopping everything forever.

Being able to stop? Is a learned skill in and of itself. To recognize when you're spinning yourself up out of control, before you freak out. To be able to back away, even after you've freaked out.

It's not healthy to work yourself up into a state where you're abusing yourself.

I know you work with kids, so try thinking of it that way for a moment. When a kid is trying to accomplish something, but are having a meltdown over it, so they're not only not accomplishing what they set out to do, but are damaging themselves & things around them, is that healthy? ((From a toddler beating the hell out of a VCR with a tape they can't make fit in the slot, to a highschool kid about to throw -or even throwing- a musical instrument across the room -or in tears sobbing about how they'll never be able to play, they just suck, they're awful, they should never <insert escalating beating themselves up & tearing themselves down here>. )) Do you encourage that? Or do you have them take a break? You have them stop, right? Does that mean never play music again? No. Does that mean music is unhealthy? No. Some of the behaviors may be unhealthy, though. Processing trauma? Is different from excoriating yourself with trauma. Investigation is different from obsession.

To be music? A piece needs more than just notes, right? The rests are as important as the notes. Pianissimo isn't less important than crescendo, just because it's quieter. Timing matters. Order matters. "Healthy" is much the same.
 
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Every time someone mentions that it is wrong for me to look my abuser up on Facebook, linked in, and basic google search... the wording, like "crossing a line," "becoming an abuser yourself," "stalking." really bothers me. Researching public information, to me, is not any of those things. And it feels like I am being lumped into the same category as him. Would this be a cognitive distortion? Also... I would just like to mention, even if it is just for my ears, he f*cking crossed a line, not me. He was a predator, not me, he lied. He planned the after party with his roommate a month later. He is a f*cking asshole and people of the world admire him. Respect him, write excellent reviews of his work. He is not a good guy that I am bothering from afar. And yes, this is me sucked in the past. And yes, I picked up the shovel again with this thought process. But no... I am not digging deeper at the moment. I make no guarantees for a week from now when something triggers me into a stupid dissasociative state. And, some day I want to send him a letter... but I need to be in a place where I don't care what reaction he has... which would not be now.
 
@TexCat I would never call you a predator for looking up your abuser. The point I made and will continue to make is this.... It isn't helpful. It proves nothing. It does nothing except upset you!!!!

The other thing.... You are TRYING to FORCE memories to come out when YOU want them to come out. It doesn't work that way.

Personally, I think you need some heavy duty COPING skills to deal with what you do know. I just feel that you are spiraling out of control because your trying to do things that are impossible to do.

PTSD Sucks, we all know this. It takes time, patience, and compassion for yourself along with a ton of tools to get through this and come out on the other side health and able to cope well.
 
So when I mentioned the words "crossing a line" I meant for you, that it might not be healthy to see him in real time. But, then again maybe this is not crossing a line at all and even though it is triggering is apart of the healing process. Honestly, I would have done the exact same thing. Seen in a different light, you taking on the role of investigator and googling him or whatever is serving a purpose. I don't know what that is. Control? Understanding? Processing? I do not see this as at all in the same league as stalking or being even close to being a predator. It is completely understandable just maybe a little intense to see his family. Now if you wrote on his wall, "F*uck you, you bastard." Now that might be crossing a line. I am sure you would like to.
 
You're surely not the perpetrator. :cry: :hug:

I think the saying is 'look back, but don't stare'. I liken it to driving a car, or walking; if we don't look ahead and focus on forward we'll crash.

JMHO (after 34 years of living with this) do not try to force anything, those such memories are like being super-triggered, and still incomplete, I might add. The only result is chaos, confusion, agony, suicidal ideation. Unlike exposure therapy, it's not in doses. Like being attacked with your arms and legs chained behind you.

.some day I want to send him a letter... but I need to be in a place where I don't care what reaction he has... which would not be now.

I think come the day you don't care what reaction he has, you probably won't have a need to send a letter.

Does it feel you need justice to find peace? What might help you, or what do you feel you need? Are there other ways to meet those needs?

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You're surely not the perpetrator. :cry: :hug:

I think the saying is 'look back, but don't stare'. I li...
It's weird. I spent a long night recently chatting with my high school boyfriend of 3 years. I wanted to know if I ever said anything to him about my college rape on our summer break meetings (as friends). He told me that he was extremely angry that first summer that I had flipently given up my virginity and then slept with another guy (aka: rape) after that break up. But here is the super cool part. I mentioned the emotional abuse from high school and he owned up to ALL OF IT. He even told me that he treated me like absolute shit. I told him why I decided there was no shot in hell for us when I had visited him in Kansas City post college to see if it was supposed to be him. (He still wanted me.) He made dinner. I put on Eric Satie piano music, and he changed it. Said he had something better. Same old "never good enough" with him. So... I guess my point is, after all of this time he has matured, he owned up to his shit and into some of mine. We are both mostly happily married. And I have closure. I am sure closure to rape is a totally different scenario. Guessing a predator won't have the same response. And as Dr. T1 said, "If he did apologize would it make a difference?" "Forgiveness is for you, not him." Maybe since I dug with a good outcome of my first love, my mind thinks this would resolve well too? Ptsd...midlife crisis...crazy person (maybe all 3)
 
boyfriend of 3 years

He was your bf of 3 years, and never raped you, despite not sleeping with you (lost your virginity with the rape?, vs multiple 'opportunities' he didn't take to use force, manipulation, etc.) Sounds like a wholly-different person than your rapist in that category, even if there was the emotional abuse.

Unrelated, a cop gave me great (though mind-bogglng) advice once; he said 'in a week he won't even remember'.

No matter what decision about this you make, it won't re-write the past or end that part differently, re-writing that ending is impossible, so is denial and minimizing. JMHO.
 
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