• We are a multilingual website again. Read the notice about this.
  • Understand AI use at MyPTSD: all AI use is explained in our AI help page. AI use is by choice here. It exists if you want it, but does nothing unless you choose to use it.

Relationship Combat Ptsd - 1 Year Later

Status
Not open for further replies.
My heart ACHES for you, Navy Spouse. Been there, been there, been there. I mean that literally.

My first husband was a draft dodger. When he asked me to marry him, after less than 2 months of dating, I was 16 and he was an 18-year-old high school dropout. He was expecting to be drafted any day. This was February 1970, and at that time, the only way for a healthy 18-year-old to avoid being drafted for the war in Vietnam, was to be married and to have a child. He didn't tell me until AFTER we were married, and I was pregnant, that the only reason he had married me and wanted a baby right away, was to avoid being drafted... and, he said, he was too young to settle down with just one person, so he was going to continue to date anyone that he wanted to. That was my marriage #1.

Later, I was married to a career Navy Vietnam Veteran. Then I was married to a career Air Force Vietnam Veteran. Now I am married to a Marine Vietnam Veteran!

So, yes, I've been there, been there, been there. I'm SO GLAD I'm not living in that kind of pain and uncertainty anymore, Navy Spouse. I don't wish it on anyone.

Maybe it's because I have CPTSD, dating all the way back to my earliest childhood, but I personally can only take so much crap from anyone, and then I'm done. I have walked away, with my heart shattered, from men I truly loved and whom I knew were doing the best they could with the brokenness they had... but I simply could not take it any more. It was either leave, or lose my mind, and kill myself. This is why I've had so many divorces. I was the one who left, every time, because I could not stand the hellish pain any more.

I endured 3 and a half years of being beaten by my husband about 2 to 4 times a month (I miscarried our first child after a bad beating). He was also cheating on me constantly, being true to his word of not wanting to settle down with just one woman at such a young age. He even got involved with my own very abusive horrible mother, who was in her late 30s at the time. My narcissistic, sociopathic mother, who had abused me my whole life long, was in complete agreement with my husband's "right" to beat me. She told me so, in front of him, on my 17th birthday, no less, after he had beat me that morning for simply asking if we could go out to get a hamburger and see a movie for my birthday, the way we had done when we were dating. Then, after telling me that my husband had the right to beat me, because the Bible says "Spare the rod and spoil the child," she went over and put her arms around him and sat on his lap, right in front of me, and told him how much she loved him and how sorry she was that she had not warned him about how horrible of a spoiled rotten person I was, before he married me... as I said, I endured that first marriage for 3 and a half years. I stayed, and put up with the intolerable, because I had come out of my insane abusive childhood home with zero self-esteem. I had been taught all of my life by both of my parents that I was unloveable, and that I "drove people to want to hurt me," because I was such a miserable person to be around.

I actually pitied my first husband because, although he had never been in war (being the draft dodger), I knew, because his aunt told me right after we married, that he had been horribly beaten by his father all during his childhood. I knew what that felt like, and I thought I understood that he had learned to be like his dad, to HIT when he was angry or stressed about anything. So I stayed and stayed and God knows I TRIED MY BEST every day of our marriage to be a better wife, a better person, to try to win his love. He told me that the reason he "had to cheat on me" was because I "wasn't woman enough" for him, whatever the heck THAT means. So I tried and tried to learn how to be "woman enough." I read books, like The Joy of Sex, which was popular back then, trying to learn what he wanted me to be, at 16, 17, and 18 years of age!

But, when he beat me in front of our then-2-year-old son, after having promised me he would never hit me in front of our child, THAT was when I found the courage to leave. When I regained consciousness after that last terrible beating, and found myself lying on the kitchen floor with my little boy patting my face and crying... that was it, I was finally done.

After each failed marriage, my fuse got shorter, and shorter. Each painful divorce marriage left me less and less capable of tolerating being treated badly. I estimate that my first husband beat me anywhere from 50 to 100 times during our marriage, based on his pattern of abuse. As I said, I miscarried one baby because of his beatings. He cheated on me with countless others, my own mother was just one of many. He was a sex addict and he was bi-sexual, apparently, as I later learned that he had had affairs with both women and men, during our brief marriage. This was in the days before AIDS, thank heavens. But he did give me one venereal disease, however it was at least curable.

My second husband "only" cheated on me with 3 women (that I found out about), and he only hit me twice, and tried his hardest to break my neck that second time, and that was enough for me, I was out of there, after just 2 years of marriage.

My third husband and I lasted 10 years. But then, as his Navy career was coming to an end, he started drinking heavily. He got drunk one day and beat me so badly that he almost killed me. He broke my nose and my jaw and gave me a bad concussion. It was the ONLY time he had ever hit me in our 10 years of marraige. But I was done, I wasn't about to wait around for a second beating.

The fourth husband never hit me. He never cheated on me, either, to my knowledge. He was much older than me, a safe father figure, really. I was in my mid-30s and very youthful, and he was around 50 and looked even older, when we were married. But when I turned 40, a few months after my first grandchild was born, he told me that he was not nearly so physically attracted to me anymore, now that I was 40, and a grandmother, and I had put on about 10 pounds, and had a few lines on my face. He began to openly lust over other younger women, telling me how HOT this one was, and how he would love to F that one. He started wanting porn more than he wanted me. That was it, that was all he did, he didn't beat me, he didn't cheat on me (not that I knew), he never yelled at me, never cursed at me. He just basically stopped wanting me. He even stopped talking to me! Silent, he was, day and night. He would go a solid week without saying more than one whole sentence to me! So, I left. I just walked out the door one day. I told him that if he didn't love me enough to talk to me once in a while, if he didn't love me enough to prefer my body to pornography, then I was leaving. And, sure enough, he didn't love me enough to try to get me to stay.

When I married my now best-friend-husband in July 2004, the very first day after we were married, he began YELLING at me for something really stupid... he loves to cook, and he wanted what he called an "egg pan," and I did not know what an "egg pan" is ~ (turns out he meant an omelet pan. WHATever!) I *immediately* packed my bags and left. I told him, "I am 51 years old, and I have already gone through the hell of 4 divorces. I don't want to go through another one. But I have gone through too much in my life, I have fought too hard, to finally find some bit of peace and happiness now in the autumn of my life. I love you, I enjoy your company, and I would like to continue loving you and enjoying your company, for the rest of our lives. But I will not be yelled at. If the house is on fire and you need to yell at me to get out to save my life, THEN you may yell at me. But ONLY in an emergency such as that, will I submit to being yelled at! I swear to God I will live in my car at the Walmart parking lot if I have to, before I will ever again stay under the same roof with someone who YELLS at me, or in any way and treats me with DISRESPECT. I don't even care all that much anymore about being LOVED, I only ask to be treated with the common courtesy of RESPECT."

Today, my BFH and I are super happy. Why? Beacuse we RESPECT each other. We treat each other with kindness and consideration, every minute of every day. We do not ever talk DOWN to each other. We do not ever treat each other like we OWN the other person. I don't ever talk down to him like he's an idiot child, not even when he acts like an idiot child, and he never treats me like an idiot child, either, not even though I act like one. We do not ever so much as look at each other with a hateful look, or talk to each other with a contemptuous tone of voice. We very simply treat each other, every day, with AT LEAST the same basic courtesy that most people show to total strangers on the street! (On the rare occasion that one of us slips up and says something in a less-than-kind tone of voice, we immediately apologize, and we readily forgive each other, because no one is perfect.)

After four failed marriages EACH, my BFH and I have finally figured out that having a GREAT marriage, really isn't such a hard thing to do!! PTSD or no PTSD, it is not that hard to simply be polite and considerate and courteous, and to speak in a respectful manner, to the person you share your life with. We don't expect perfection. We accept each other, faults and all. Gosh it's great to be able to just BE ME, and know that I am accepted, and loved, and respected, flaws and all!

Now that I finally have a very happy, peaceful, loving, and fulfilling marriage (albeit with a terribly rocky start!), my favorite ancient Chinese proverb sums up very well, the simple truth I have learned (learned the HARD way!) about what it takes to make, or break, a relationship:

"A relationship can survive anything but disrespect." (Man, those Ancient Chinese were some Smart Dudes!)

<self promotion signature removed>
 
PS~ I just want to add that I don't have anything against high school dropouts, per se, I was one myself, because in the 1970s (I don't know about now), if a high school student got married, they were immediately expelled from school. My point about my first husband being a high school dropout was not to put such people down, not in any way! ~ what I forgot to add, but meant to, is that in Feb. 1970, when he and I married, the only way for a healthy 18-year-old boy WHO WAS NOT A STUDENT (either in college or in high school), to avoid being drafted to the Vietnam war, was either to flee the country, or to be married and have a child.
 
Wow Elaina! I wish you nothing but happiness for the rest of your life. Fortunately I cannot see myself in your story.

I have no ex husbands and I hope to keep it that way. My husband has never laid an angry hand on me or the kids. We've had are share of arguments in 17 years, but they've always been short lived and with out name calling. I like your Chinese proverb about relationships lasting through anything but disrespect. I hope its true for us too.

I have a lot to be thankful for. I almost feel greedy after reading your post for wanting just one more thing........my husband home.

He did make an effort and he stayed at home last night. That meant a lot. He wasn't able to come until after work so it was 6:30 in the evening. Not a whole lot of family time because it was early to bed for the girls because of school in the morning and are oldest wasn't feeling well so she went to bed right after dinner. He was tired also, so we all went to bed early last night. This morning he was rested and talkative, to bad I had a sick child, another to send off to school and he had to go to work. It felt good to wake up together though.
 
Navy -
See? Little by little...you may be frustrated, but you really are making progress! :) I wish I had even .0000000001% of that "luck".

Elaina -
Holy jeez. Your story really is amazing. You must have 9 lives woman! I can only say for certain that a man lays a hand on me like any of what you've been through, I will be in jail while his family is planning his funeral. No joking, no kidding, no hesitating....that person would have a third earhole in the middle of his temple. Period.
 
Thank you, Army Brat 88! I agree with you, if I had not been so thoroughly broken by my mentally ill parents as a child, I would never have stood for one minute, being treated the way my exes, especially the first one, treated me! But my childhood home, which was my "normal," was very insane, and I mean that literally. My dad was diagnosed with schizophrenia and multiple personality disorder when I was 12. My mother, who was even a WORSE parent to me than he was, fits all the criteria for a full-blown Narcissistic Personality Dirsorder, with many psychopathic episodes. My childhood traumas were so unbelievably extreme, that most people have a hard time believing my story, when I've only told them less than half of it!

I understand that, it's the same tendency that people have to not want to believe in The Holocaust.... or, if they DO believe it happened, they make it easier for themselves to accept, by blaming the victims: "If the Jews hadn't been so submissive," etc. But, what are you supposed to DO when uniformed soldiers, sanctioned by your own government, are herding you and all your loved ones onto a boxcar, while pointing assault rifles at your backs???

Denial. It's the most common human defense against the horror of an unthinkable reality. "It COULDN'T have happened, or else it surely wasn't THAT bad, or if it really was that bad, then you MUST have in SOME way, brought it on yourself, or somehow deserved it!"

It makes people feel much better to not have to believe in horrible realities, and it makes them feel much safer to believe that the victims caused or allowed or in some crazy way, WANTED it, or deserved it ~ for if terrible things only happen to people who want or allow or deserve it, then THEY are safe from anything so terrible ever happening to them.

I have lived most of my life with the double pain of, first, having been through multiple horrible traumas, and second, not being believed, and being blamed, when I tell about my traumas.

As for being blamed: Of course it is only natural, upon learning that I have been divorced four times, for the average person to suppose that the fault must be wholly, or at least mostly, mine, becaue *I* am the Common Denominator in all of those failed marriages!! I used to believe that, myself, with all my of heart I believed that *I* was at fault for all of my failed relationships. ALthough I never hit anyone, with the exception of a single solitary slap to one husband, although I never had extra-marital affairs (and certainly not with a father-in-law, aas my first husband did with my own mother), and, although I never screamed and yelled and cursed at my husbands, except very rarely, and only then in self-defense after being screamed at and cursed at, FIRST ~ although I tried with ALL MY MIGHT to be a perfect and loving and lovable person, still, somehow, *I* was at fault in my failed marriages, because, as my hateful narcissistic sadistic mother had taught me from the time I was tiny, "some indefinable something" about me, was so IRRITATING, that it DROVE otherwise "good people" to want to ABUSE me!

It literally took me DECADES to understand that the reason I am the common denominator in a long string of failed marriages, is precisely because I was SO HORRIBLE DAMAGED by my insane childhood, at the hands of my two insane parents, that, by the time I was a young woman, the ONLY thing I had in my favor, so far as elligible men were concerned, was my looks. I was beautiful. I do not say that in pride, I was simply created that way. I was a plain-looking child, but by the time I reached my teens, suddenly I was somehow very beautiful, and therefore, men were naturally attracted to me, every where I went.

HOWEVER, as soon as a man got to know me, he immediately realized that I was an emotional basket case. I say that, because I was desperately NEEDY... and most healthy men are Not Attracted to a Clinging, Whiney, Suffocating, Depressed, Nervous, and Desperately Needy woman. I was frightened of my own shadow, literally, I still am, I jump with a huge involuntary startle reflex, sometimes, when my hair swings around beside my head and I see it out of the corner of my eye and I think someone is sneaking up on me!

And... when someone Knocks on the Door of the House.... OMG.... I..... SCREAM!!!! I can't help it, it is ridiculous, it is crazy, I KNOW it's dumb! But I can't help it anymore than I can stop a great big SNEEZE.... someone knocks on the front door unexpectedly, and I Freaking SCREAM right out loud. How crazy is THAT?

I also get very anxious while riding in a car. I panic when I think it is possible we may have an accident, and I think that, almost constantly. So I do a lot of involuntary startles and tiny screams when I am being driven in a car, and would you believe, most men do not like that, they take it personally, they accuse me of being critical of their driving, and most men won't listen to me when I say it is not their skill that is making me shake and jump and gasp!

I also get overwhelmed with exhaustion very easily, because of my anxiety, and when I get exhausted, I am No Fun to be around. I can't go to parties and have fun, I only rarely can bring myself to go out to eat, I am afraid to be in public. Also when I am exhausted by my terrible anxieties and depressions, then I do not do the housework, and no one in his right mind wants to live in a trashed-out filthy house! *I* don't want to live in a trashed-out filthy house!! If only SOMEONE would come and clean this horrible mess!!!!

So.... when you have a woman who has been damaged terribly throughout her childhood by two very mentally ill unfit parents, and when that woman is uncommonly pretty, and she goes out into the adult world looking for a way to survive in it, but she is unemployable most of the time, due to her nerves and screams and depressions and anxieties and other peculiarities, and she is looking for a Prince Charming or White Knight to come and SAVE her.... Most Normal Healthy Men run AWAY from a needy emotional basketcase like ME. They may take me out once or twice because they like the way I look, and they may be hoping to enjoy a carnal one-night-stand, but no man in his right mind wants to marry a NUT who is so horribly dysfunctional as myself.

So, what kind of men DO marry a woman like me? USERS and ABUSERS. So, yes indeed, *I* am the common denominator in all of my failed marriages, but that does NOT make ME the bad guy. It makes me the nut, but not the bad guy.

Thank God I finally found a nut of my own to marry, and we love each other madly ~ pun intended.!

Elaina
 
While I'm on the subject of my multiple marriages: I use HUMOR a lot, to help me survive. I am just naturally rather silly, so that helps!

This is something I consider as being one of the PERKS of having been through so many painfully disastrous marriages. You know those ads for a particular toothpaste that say, "Four out of Five Dentists agree..."? Well, now that I am married to my 5th husband ~ AND he is married to me, his fifth wife ~ I can say, with absolute authority: "Four out of Five Husbands would agree.." and my best-friend-husband can make the same authoritative statement about wives.

For anyone who dares to ask me if I am in my Right Mind, I tell them No, I am in my Left.
:)
 
I had a strange and vivid dream but it really was an accurate portrayal of my husbands PTSD. (The part that bothers me most I guess......because it affects our relationship as a couple)

In the dream we were sleeping and my husband got up and left the bedroom. Just a few minutes later he ruturned and got back into bed. He started touching me lovingly, which in the dream I was surprised by. I sat up to look at him and then I heard someone at the bedroom door so I turned to look and it was my husband. There was two of them. As the one at the door started to walk into the room I looked down at the one in the bed and he started to fade and break into tiny pieces that floated up and disappeared.

The minds way of looking at the way things are.

I've always joked that I wish I could clone him so one would be around when the other one had to be away. For a few seconds I had two and they were looking quite handsome.;)
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Donation drives

2026 Donation Goal

Goal
$1,800.00
Earned
$910.00
This donation drive ends in
0 hours, 0 minutes, 0 seconds
  50.6%

Trending content

Featured content

Back
Top Bottom