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[Deleted member 28740]

In a new article for Rolling Stone, journalist Soraya Chemaly writes, "The Washington Post reported Monday that 'although family members said [Omar] Mateen had expressed anger about homosexuality, the shooter had no record of previous hate crimes.' But that depends on how you categorize domestic violence." Mateen’s ex-wife, Sitora Yusufiy, has come forward to describe how Mateen beat her and held her hostage. ThinkProgress reports that between 2009 and 2012, 40 percent of mass shootings started with a shooter targeting his girlfriend, wife or ex-wife. Just this month in California, a UCLA doctoral student gunned down his professor, prompting a lockdown on campus. But first, Mainak Sarkar allegedly killed his estranged wife in Minnesota, climbing through a window to kill her in her home. Last year alone, nearly a third of mass shooting deaths were related in some way to domestic violence. We speak to writer Soraya Chemaly. Her recent article in Rolling Stone is called "In Orlando, as Usual, Domestic Violence was Ignored Red Flag."

http://www.democracynow.org/2016/6/14/when_it_comes_to_orlando_massacre

What forum to post this? more to add. to this initial in terms of gun laws an how Australia changed gun laws.

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[Deleted member 28740]

As the United States struggles to make sense of yet another mass shooting, we look at one country that fought to change the culture of gun violence and won. In April of 1996, a gunman opened fire on tourists in Port Arthur, Tasmania, killing 35 people and wounding 23 more. Just 12 days after the grisly attack and the public outcry it launched, Australia’s government responded by announcing a bipartisan deal to enact gun control measures. The pact included agreements with state and local governments. Since the laws were passed—now 20 years ago—there has not been a mass shooting in Australia, and overall gun violence has decreased by 50 percent. We speak to Rebecca Peters, an international arms control advocate and part of the International Network on Small Arms. She led the campaign to reform Australia’s gun laws after the Port Arthur massacre.

http://www.democracynow.org/2016/6/13/australia_stopped_mass_shootings_after_1996

 

[The Albatross]

News flash... this isn't about guns. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. It has been argued here in our state that if a designated person was allowed in the bar to conceal carry this wouldn't have been so devastatingly lethal. Here in Florida, the sentiment is that people kindly leave our state's business to deal with it ourselves. Don't conflate the issue please.

 

[Deleted member 28740]

Guns kill people. People using them kill people. Life and death by a person using a gun. How is that conflating a fact of life and death? There is nothing 'kindly' about killing people.

No need for an assault rifle to hunt. Purpose is mass killing without discrimination.

 

[The Albatross]

I've said my piece, carry on. You a Floridian? We are mixed dynamics politically but we on both sides aren't interested in elevating this to a distillation of "national dialogue".

 

[Deleted member 28740]

We are mixed dynamics politically but we on both sides aren't interested in elevating this to a distillation of "national dialogue".

Get my dog a gun. Then safety for all. She is all for peace and does not have a trigger finger, and could pass a background check. She is black but does not have race issues, or care who wants to have carnal relationships anyone other than with her. Would that be an open carry or conceal permit for a service dog?

Distillation, isn't that all about drinking? That does not kill either I guess.

 

[Lucycat]

I agree people kill people. But without a gun there would not be 49 dead in minutes. ( and yes I know the hostage situation took longer)

 

[Anarchy]

Since the laws were passed—now 20 years ago—there has not been a mass shooting in Australia,

and for two hundred years before that, there had not been a (private sector) mass shooting in Australia*

Similarly in Britain, despite a square mile of gunmaking businesses in Birmingham up to the 1920s, and next to zero gun controls on anything If you wanted a gun off a warship, a machine gun, one of the early submachineguns, any of the semi auto rifles that were coming onto the market, you could have one, and so long as you had permission from the landowner and were not endangering people or shooting in a built up area at night, you could shoot it pretty much where you wanted.

Britain's 1920 firearms act, was officially touted at the time to be a measure against armed robbery (there were something like 4 armed robberies in the whole of Britain (all in London) the previous year)
Papers released since then have shown that the cabinet debates were about fears of Bolshevik revolution and syndicalist general strike, and how to disarm the British working class in order to maintain the statist quo.

Britain didn't have a mass shooting until 1988

Serious question;

What suddenly changed in the mid 1980s?


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*That of course disregards the government sanctioned murder and extinction of the indigenous population on Tasmania and the police undertaking "nigger hunts" in Queensland up to about the 1920s at least

 

[Anarchy]

I agree people kill people. But without a gun there would not be 49 dead in minutes. ( and yes I know the hostage situation took longer)

I'll not be drawn into how, only that it is much easier than buying a gun in America
enough to say that you are incorrect

 

[GrayOwl]

Boston Marathon. Should we make backpacks illegal too?

Please don't remove my right to carry or protect my family.

But.... Please don't empower unstable people carry weapons of mass destruction either.
Assault rifles are turning into weapons of mass destruction.

Tough issue.

 

[a3a2]

Venting.

All the talk of trying to pigeon hole this terrible crime frustrate me.

Yes, he was muslim. But very few Muslims wish to go around shooting or bombing or crashing and killing loads of people.

Yes, he was a gun owner, but very few gun owners want to go around shooting a whole crowd of people.

Yes, he believe homosexual behavior to be a sin, but very few people who believe homosexual behavior is a sin have any desire to go around killing people.

He must have been homosexual, and hated himself for it (yes, I hAve actually reat a news article concering this). Maybe so, but very few homophobic people go around killing hoards of people.

Was it a hate crime? Terrorism? A homophobe? A mental illness? A gun control issue? A failure of Homeland security?

Yes, yes, yes, yes and yes and yes.

I don't know the answer. But I know it is not so simple as people make it out to be.

I'm not big on guns, but if I had been in that building, I would wish to hell my gun toting family member would be with me. With a really BIG gun! We cannot lump all Muslims as killers. Of course it was terrorism. Of course it was a hate crime....do you think the guy sat up one morning and said "I just love these people so much, I think I'll go out and kill them!"?

 

[Anarchy]

No need for an assault rifle to hunt. Purpose is mass killing without discrimination.

define (or discriminate) "assault rifle" compared to a Remmington model 8, available in the united state from 1906 (In Europe as an FN Browning from 1900).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remington_Model_8
There were aftermarket parts available to put a large capacity mag on a model 8

or a Winchester model 1907?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Model_1907