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Could Therapist Be Projecting?

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Joie

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Hello all, I'm new here. I've sort of self diagnosed as someone who identifies with symptoms of Complex PTSD. I'm hoping for some honest feedback. I've been attending a therapist for three years because of a lot of feelings of loss and anxiety arising. I come from an addictive family background, some narcissism, cruelty, shaming etc. but for some reason I haven't turned to drink or drugs. I do work in a demanding job that's changed recently. I don't have family support. My issue or question is this:

Two months ago I attended the therapist in a good mood because, as I told him, I'd begun reading a book on CPTSD that really resonated. I asked if he might read some of it so I could discuss things that rang true for me (he'd never mentioned the condition in our therapy that I found was meandering a bit). He seemed to stiffen and said he already knew about PTSD and didn't have time to read the book. I felt hurt and during the session I told him so. I told him it was hard for me to ask but I felt my request was being dismissed (I also said I was willing to accept I might be in a flashback). My gut feeling, which I also told him, was that he was annoyed I'd mentioned the book and was feeling defensive about it. This therapist can talk about his hurt a lot in our sessions. If I say I feel upset, he says he does. Anyway, I told him I wanted to take a break for awhile to think about the session which for me, felt like I wasn't being listened to or seen because of his needs.

Today, after 6 weeks I went back. I decided I wouldn't plan what I wanted to say but I'd just go with what was in my heart. So as I sat down I said I didn't want to leave things the way we had done in the last session so I was here because I wanted to talk about what had happened that day and understand what and why it had turned out that way. I said I still felt hurt and at times angry that he'd seemed to dismiss my interest in CPTSD and the book, that he hadn't used my reference to the book as a gambit to chat about CPTSD...but instead seemed to take my request as pressure on him (he had told me he had other things he had to prioritize). I hope, I think I said what I said in an open manner.

After that, today's session descended into him getting quite upset, saying that I was attacking him. He used a slightly sarcastic tone and mannerisms (like waving his hands and mocking finger pointing). I kept trying to bring the discussion back to the issues raised in the last meeting that still needed to be aired and asked him why he kept distracting from that. I said at least 6 times over the hour: can we get back to discussing what happened so we can understand it? After three attempts to bring it back he said I thought he wasn't 'good enough'. I said: 'I never said that and I don't think it. I feel all confused. I thought these sessions were meant to so I could bring up my feelings but it feels like you don't want to hear them. I feel hurt by that and it feels cruel'.

He then said: 'you are calling me a sadist'. I said, 'of course I'm not. I didn't say you aren't good enough or a sadist. I'm not talking about you. I'm trying to tell you how I feel...but this is all beginning to feel unsafe and uncomfortable.' He went on about 'how do you think I feel' etc. and kept asking 'are we okay, are you okay?' but I didn't know what he was on about. Then he said this was all good to come up in the session as I was projecting my mother on to him. I said: 'I'm willing to accept that could happen but I really don't think I'm doing that here. The things we are talking about are what's happening in this session.' He said he'd like me to come back for another session because this was the work we needed to do. But I really felt I had landed in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest today. I felt again that his issues took upper hand. It's never been this bad although I do sometimes feel when he expresses concern he doesn't really feel it the way ordinary people do. It's like he's scripted. And today, several times (which he does regularly) he said: 'I know you're feeling X now' when, I had to tell him: 'No, I'm feeling Y'.

So I'm unsure whether I am projecting, whether he was just having a bad day or whether for some reason my mentioning the book (and later saying it might be good for us to look at CPTSD in my case) triggered something in him. Or if my not going back for 6 weeks triggered something. OR worse case, I'm being gaslighted. I don't want to blame him and if I'm not seeing something I want feedback telling me so so I can really work on myself honestly. But tonight I don't feel safe working with him into the future. I don't feel that he's been honest with me. I doubt myself at the best of times and don't want to spiral further into this relationship (albeit a potentially therapeutic one) where I'm blamed for things I really haven't done AND where I'm not given room to figure out how to regulate my own emotions (and they aren't allowed to be heard).

I know that's all very long winded, but as you all have far more experience in this area, I'd really appreciate your thoughts. All the best and thanks so much for taking the time...Joie...
 
It could be this guys a crap therapist, has too much personal stuff going on (needs therapy himself) or as you said he is trying to gaslight you.

Don't go back to that guy it sounds like you were the therapist and he was the client in that scenario. Hes telling you how you feel? No, no, no. that's such bad practice i cant even.

Go get yourself a good trauma therapist and never speak to that guy again, he sounds nuttier than a squirrels fart.
 
Yup, time to get a new therapist. I would recommend a closing session, and to blame it on a personality clash. Do be careful of self diagnosig though. It is not recommended and a proper therapist can discuss it with you.

I have rewritten this a dozen times, I can't find a tactful way to say what I was thinking when I read your post, but there is a phrase that comes to mind about people becoming therapists because they liked theirs.
 
Yeah...no. You deserve waaaayyy better than this. You are the customer and he's very unprofessional. Wow. A very easy compromise would have been for him to suggest that you bring in specific sections you would like to discuss. Not sure why the drama but it shouldn't be something for you to take on to figure out. Know that you have done nothing wrong here.
 
Oh wow...it sounds like he brings a very unhealthy dynamic to your relationship, which isn't in service to you. I think his approach sounds really unprofessional - perhaps he's got his own stuff going on, perhaps something about you/your session/that whole conversation about the book has triggered him, perhaps you have projected something about your mother on to him (but if you've thrown some transference at him, he seems to have got caught up in his counter-transference - and it's his job to manage this, not to just throw it all back at you). Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps... But, whatever's going on for him, he should be keeping boundaries, holding your space and self-managing way, way better than he is. Because he's the therapist. Telling you how you feel, twisting your words and putting the focus on how he feels in all of this are big red flags. If you now feel unsafe about working with him..? I think that's something you'd be unwise to ignore.

I'd be looking for a new therapist – someone I can feel safe with (or feel that that might be possible at some point), someone who keeps clear professional boundaries, someone who puts me first, someone I can talk honestly about sessions with, someone I can discuss my symptoms with, with a view to getting an accurate diagnosis that we can work on together.

It sounds like you handled the conversation really well – he's the one who's mishandled this whole situation.
 
Thank you all so so much! Unusually, I feel a bit liberated after the session and opening to you guys because during the session I was able to be respectful, true to my feelings, express them and not be dragged into what was going on with him...so that was really something for me. I think I will meet him to tell him as it has been 2.5 years working with him (although always a bit meandering even when I would ask to talk about goals etc). Other things that niggled over that time now make more sense too... I have a committed mindfulness mediation practice and he would sometimes seem reactive around it (just my feeling based on things he said when I mentioned it like: 'the work is done here...') although I don't think he's a bad person...just out of his depth, in difficulty himself and working in isolation. But if I'd been in another place emotionally, it might have been more difficult. BTW I belong to a compassionate therapy email list and a link related to a new method for measuring therapist's empathy/compassion came in this morning. The article mentions phrasing the study searched for:

"Key phrases such as: "it sounds like," "do you think," and "what I'm hearing," indicated high empathy, while phrases such as "next question," "you need to," and "during the past," were perceived as low-empathy by the computational model".


Over the years when in crisis I've been to two other therapists (dead now or I would have gone back) and they never dealt with me the way he did yesterday. I feel for him though...and that has to be good, huh? Thanks again everyone...you've been a great welcome mission for this website!
 
He's narcissistic and self-obsessed. Being raised by manipulative, critical narcs, I was afraid to judge others, have those boundaries with narcs, and protect myself emotionally. Could be you're in a similar situation.
 
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