CPTSD Traits?

[Philippa]

I'm going through this now...feeling like self-medicating with substances, to cover over the pain I am in. I know it's not worth it, and I don't want to go there, but I do...I so do want to get totally wasted on Ecstacy, and just dance for a day. The last time I did this though I had to have two teeth pulled out.:eek:

I related to pretty much all of the things you listed Lost in Oz, except for clinginess.

 

[LauraLee]

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If you ask a CPTSD sufferer how their CPTSD differs from PTSD, how would they know? The same if you ask a PTSD sufferer how their PTSD differs from CPTSD, they probably would know that, either.

I think symptoms differ from person to person. One might feel lonely all the time, while another completely loses interest in other people. It's impossible to find a fits-all description.

 

[LauraLee]

How do you guys even know it's cptsd and not just you, a unique person with good/pleasant traits but also difficult/annoying traits? Why the need to be sick? Could it be an excuse? I'm sorry I'm so needy darling, I have cptsd. I use this disease as a label whenever it suits me, but really inside I don't feel wrong or sick. I might fit into a lot of the stereotype symptoms but that's just me. I take my time to build trust, I anger easily, I daydream - what is wrong with that? Can't we all just stop bitching and moaning about how hard our lives are and realize other people feel pain too and just because we can be described using the DSM we don't necessarily need to change.
(no offence intended, but this had to be said)

 

[OKRADLAK]

LauraLee- No one would want CPTSD. I don't care how needy they are. There are many other disorders they could pick for sympathy, this is not one.

I like Judith Hermann and also Jonathan Shay- they both write about CPTSD. Shay talks about how CPTSD gets into the very fibers of who you are----he mentioned a young Catholic boy who was drafter to Vietnam and was not aware of evil in the world and then things he saw.......including a very personal tragedy that should not have happened because of a malfunctioning weapon that the gvt has given them.

So he was not able to process any of it and then it infected his faith, his understanding of who he was as a person, his political ideas, philosophies of life, etc.

Shay believes betrayal is a very important aspect of CPTSD.

There are a lot of people who get PTSD and as bad as it is, they still have an understanding of who they are and their faith can help them. etc.......CPTSD wipes it all out. It is awful. Nothing to lean on, must start totally over, etc.

The frontal lobes areas are not "set" until like 25, so this is why a lot of CPTSD is in those who were abused and hurt before that age. But it can happen to anyone.

 

[anthony]

There is no such thing as CPTSD... it should only be referred to as complex trauma, which is what it is. You still only have PTSD, because CPTSD does not exist.

 

[OKRADLAK]

No but they want to put it in the new DSM. I am not sure if it will help anything.

I guess there are degrees of PTSD , like cancer........maybe there should be staging.

 

[anthony]

It has been rejected from the DSM IV, DSM IV-TR and also rejected from the DSM V, so no, it is not going into the new DSM.

 

[kernberg]

Ofcourse CPTSD exists, duh, Anthony you say really weird things and not everybody works from the DSM. dont invalidate people here, it's abusive.

 

[anthony]

CPTSD does not exist actually, it was only a term coined by Judith Herman to identify a possible recognition for complex trauma sufferers who have PTSD + dissociative and/or personality disorders combined. There is no actual recognition of this, and it has now been completely closed down for possible inclusion.

You cannot be diagnosed with CPTSD, because it does not exist, in either the DSM or ICD. Any official documentation will have PTSD, as that is the only recognised diagnosis.

Complex trauma is very real, and I do not invalidate complex trauma. I cannot invalidate a diagnosis though that does not exist. As the administrator of this forum, and this forums intent, being to deliver trauma sufferers accurate and current information on PTSD, this is accurate. Any such fallacy to live in denial that CPTSD exists or will exist in the future, is just that, fallacy and denial, neither of which this website endorses.

 

[OKRADLAK]

Many therapists use the term and are calling for it to be included. The US Dept of veteran affairs even has a page devoted to it. This reflects studies by the top therapists in the world as the US Army is pouring billions into this malady. It really take an ego to try to take all these therapists down a peg when this is all they research day after day.

I am not going to argue with you, Anthony. I have noticed that you watch the new members for a while and then light into them. You are wrong here.

Go to a US Army base and argue with those who study this for a living, not those who are suffering it. Argue with a PhD psychologist who was given a multi million dollar grant and has been studying the guys coming back from war for 5 years -and is linked to one of the best civilian studies to make sure that the studies are not only war-related.

I'd like to see THAT argument, '

Like I said, I am not going to argue with you. Feel free to post back, but you can argue with yourself.

 

[anthony]

Nobody is debating complex trauma... but even the US Army failed on this... The APA have not picked it up once again, and have stated they are not going to break apart PTSD into mixed diagnostic categories which is more dangerous than PTSD already is dangerous by itself, as a diagnosis.

There is nothing to argue actually. Complex trauma is real, and validated. CPTSD diagnosis is a perpetuated industry term that is used by some, not by others, has no legal justification or use and cannot be used for insurance or medical purposes, because of zero legal validation within the DSM or ICD standards.

There is enough perpetuated myth, rumours and people trying to put their stamp on things within the mental health industry already, and I will not place this website into that category.

This is why this specific forum you are writing this in, is called "Complex Trauma" and no longer CPTSD, because we all thought it would get recognition, but it has been shutdown again... with conclusive arguments on why the APA won't be picking it up, and have no intention of such in the future now. That is a firm decision.

If the DSM drops a diagnosis, then that diagnosis is no longer valid. A simple concept I use. The DSM and ICD have not picked up or going to pickup CPTSD as a diagnosis, which makes that diagnostic term, invalid for use.

It is like a new member who tried to get validity for the term "Birth Rape" here. A term used by a limited few naturalists who deem hospital birth with complications as "Birth Rape". The physical act of having to be medically examined even due to birth, Birth Rape. I could jump on that and perpetuate it, or I can close it down for use here until it has some industry official recognition, which it does not. Its a choice...

As this sites administrator, I do not perpetuate or continue things that are no longer valid. CPTSD is officially invalid, Complex trauma is still very valid.

There is no debate or argument about this... Any member who wishes to perpetuate mythical diagnostic criterion can do so on any number of forums that will allow such nonsense. This is just not one of those forums.