News Donald Trump's Popularity To Date

[Justmehere]

I interrupt this regularly scheduled and very thoughtful conversation about the popularity of Trump with this fact: many people in the Republican Party itself despise Trump.

"Republican Senator Ben Sasse of Nebraska will miss his party’s national convention in Cleveland later this month because he is planning to “take his kids to watch some dumpster fires across the state,” Sasse’s spokesman said Thursday.

"These dumpster fires, the spokesman added, “enjoy more popularity than the current front-runners” of the major political parties."

From: https://heatst.com/politics/senator-skip-gop-convention-dumpster-fire/

Political conventions can make it look like there is tons of unified support for a candidate, and that is rarely the case.

Ok, now back to the more thoughtful discussion. :)

 

[Anarchy]

This is probably going to come across a bit like a clever sh!t vegetarian remark to someone who's just been served a very expensive and very off steak...

there are institutions which enable narcs and psychopaths to cause a lot of harm to a very large number of people.

I know that most people are raised in a culture in which the institutions are presented as being both good and essential to civilization.

(If you had been raised by turkeys - you would have been taught how valuable and essential turkeys are, and if you'd ever got to hear about Cranberries and Thanksgiving, you would have been told how dangerous those ideas were to you, and how stupid anyone who even thought about them must be)

There will always be narcs and cyclepaths, and by definition they'll have grossly inflated and delusional ideas about their own brilliance, importance and indespensibility.

Is it time to start questioning whether the institutions that can allow them to be so dangerous to so many people, are actually either necessary or worth the danger they present when they enable characters like Trump, Clinton (him and her), Bush the Dumber, Daddy Bush...?
not to mention what comes with them, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Brzezinski, Holder...
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a little reminder of some links I posted back in March
https://www.myptsd.com/threads/donald-trumps-popularity-to-date.55545/page-14#post-982004

 

[hodge]

I watched him say this on Monday afternoon. My jaw almost dropped to see someone with this experience saying this.

https://www.boston.com/news/politic...orters-brown-shirts-amid-chaos-gop-convention

 

[Deleted member 12723]

More Americans need to watch the movie Idiotcracy. Satire of where comic relief shows where America is headed. It is very crass and vulgar though.

 

[Justmehere]

Is it time to start questioning whether the institutions that can allow them to be so dangerous to so many people, are actually either necessary or worth the danger they present when they enable characters like Trump...

That was what gave us the Declaration of Independence:

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation...

And limiting the powers of these institutions is the basic overriding principle of the US Constitution - which has been eroded significantly over the past few decades.

The signers of the constitution also warned us of the dangers of the two party system, which is much to blame. I've been a delegate for both parties and my goodness, the desire to seek outright revenge against the other party is very concerning.

John Adams said, "There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other."

George Washington called it a "type of despotism" to have one party pitted against the other, vying for power.

(Quotes and more info from: Dead Link Removed)

 

[hodge]

A key phrase from the Declaration to me has always been "a decent respect to the opinions of mankind." To me, that signalled that they knew they were making world history and that this country should show respect for the rest of the world, that we should be a good world citizen. Yeah, in 1776 I highly doubt they were thinking about non-white people, but they wrote it and it is what it is and it is very adaptable to the world we live in now. That was so much of the brilliance of these documents. These guys seemed to know they were writing for the ages and left so much somewhat vague in order for these principles to be adapted to future times.

Trump has no regard for anyone who disagrees with him, much less others in the world, and forget people of color. There is even no alternate reality I can imagine in which he would be a suitable representative of us to the rest of the world.

 

[Anarchy]

And limiting the powers of these institutions is the basic overriding principle of the US Constitution - which has been eroded significantly over the past few decades.

is the constitution itself and the fe'ral gubbermint that it spawned - not a big step in the direction towards where we find ourselves now?

Instead of amending the articles of confederation - as the delegates were sent to do, and as the articles allowed, they instead created one ring gubbermint to rule them all

and instead of all of the equal states in the confederation having to consent, the delegates had the insolence to claim that only a majority was sufficient to force the others.

it was a Coup d'etat over all of the states of the confederation.

 

[hodge]

Umm, Anarchy, I am not really understanding your use of the word "confederation" in regards to the U.S. Are you implying that we are still a divided country that hasn't yet gotten over our Civil War? If that's the case, I get it. Because we haven't.

 

[Anarchy]

For 21 the years for 1776 to 1787, the colonies / states were associated under the articles of confederation, which allowed for mutual defense and a few other points.

Within that framework each colony was an independent state, and the articles was effectively a treaty between them.

there were some problems beginning to arise, for example tarrif barriers were being erected by some states.

what later became known as the constitutional convention had been called to make some amendments to the articles of confederation. There was no remit for creating a new layer of government over those independant states.

It was a massive and brazen power grab.

 

[Deleted member 28740]

Instant run off voting. X number of choices selected in order of preference. No vote uncounted AND recognized by intent of choice. Representatives in job protection mode do not do the work they are elected to do, represent honestly.

Instant-runoff voting (IRV), also known as the alternative vote (AV), transferable vote, (single-seat) ranked choice voting (RCV), or preferential voting, is a voting system used to elect a single candidate from a field of more than two candidates. It is a preferential voting system in which voters rank candidates in order of preference, rather than voting for a single candidate.

More than a century before Hillary Clinton, ‘Notorious Victoria’ Woodhull made a bid for the White House – a pioneering protest for which she was called ‘Mrs Satan’ and sent to jail.

On 2 November 1872, three days before the nation went to the polls to elect its 19th president, one of the candidates was arrested.

Stopping the carriage and producing a warrant, they arrested her on charges of sending obscene publications through the mail. The carriage was crammed with stacks of newspapers bearing the motto: PROGRESS! FREE THOUGHT! UNTRAMMELED LIVES!

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/20/notorious-victoria-first-woman-run-for-us-president

 

[hodge]

Ah, right, Anarchy. I had almost forgotten about that. Yes, we did have the articles of confederation before.

 

[Anarchy]

On 2 November 1872, three days before the nation went to the polls to elect its 19th president, one of the candidates was arrested.

Stopping the carriage and producing a warrant, they arrested her on charges of sending obscene publications through the mail. The carriage was crammed with stacks of newspapers bearing the motto: PROGRESS! FREE THOUGHT! UNTRAMMELED LIVES!

That's exactly the reason for Franklin's postal dis-service.

so that letters can be opened and communication monitored and controlled

and the vested special interests protected from criticism or challenge.