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Emdr Or Cbt?

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I'm a therapist who uses EMDR as my primary treatment psychotherapy and I've also personally had EMDR therapy for anxiety, panic, grief, and “small” trauma. As a client, EMDR worked extremely well and also really fast. As an EMDR therapist, and in my role as a facilitator who trains other therapists in EMDR (certified by the EMDR International Assoc. and trained by the EMDR Inst, both of which I strongly recommend in an EMDR therapist) I have used EMDR successfully with panic disorders, single incident trauma and complex/chronic PTSD, anxiety, depression, grief, body image, phobias, distressing memories, bad dreams and more...

Both MomOfTwo and Hashi spoke to the issue of safety (directly or indirectly) and that's the first point I want to address. It's really crucial that the therapist spends enough time in one of the initial phases (Phase 2) in EMDR that involves preparing for memory processing or desensitization (memory processing or desensitization - phases 3-6 - is often referred to as "EMDR" which is actually an 8-phase psychotherapy). In this phase resources are "front-loaded" so that you have a "floor" or "container" to help with processing the really hard stuff.

Since EMDR in fact works with both single incident and multiple (complex) trauma, you have an important goal: getting ready for EMDR processing! In Phase 2 you learn a lot of great coping strategies and self-soothing techniques which you can use during EMDR processing or anytime you feel the need. So if you start feeling overwhelmed or that it's too intense, you can ground yourself (with your therapist's help in session, and on your own between sessions) and feel safe enough to continue the work. This ability is what makes a person a "good candidate" and why spending enough time in the Preparation Phase (2) is imperative.

While EMDR therapy (and no efficacious treatment for trauma) should go "digging" for buried memories, sometimes memory does become more clear, and related memories emerge which can then become targets of their own for EMDR processing. So to have "a trial EMDR session 'working' on something completely non-traumatic" as Hashi described, doesn't really help one understand "what the process felt like" unless it was preceded by all the preparation, and also, as I previously mentioned, because other events may come up that are more intense and thus "muddy" the processing.

In my practice, after the Phase 2 work lets us know that my patient is safe enough and able to cope with any emotion and/or physical sensation both during and between EMDR processing sessions, I often suggest we try a much less intense memory first if there is one that happened BEFORE the trauma(s). If there isn't one, then I suggest we start developmentally with the least disturbing memory and work our way "up" to the most disturbing event(s). Thorough knowledge of the biopsychosocial impact of trauma and PTSD is crucial for a therapist who uses EMDR or any psychotherapy when working with trauma survivors.

Grounding exercises are indispensable in everyday life, and really essential in stressful times. Anyone can use some of the techniques in Dr. Shapiro's new book "Getting Past Your Past: Take Control of Your Life with Self-Help Techniques from EMDR." Dr. Shapiro is the founder/creator of EMDR but all the proceeds from the book go to two charities: the EMDR Humanitarian Assistance Program and the EMDR Research Foundation). Anyway, the book is terrific. It's an easy read, helps you understand what's "pushing" your feelings and behavior, helps you connect the dots from past experiences to current life. Also teaches readers lots of helpful techniques that can be used immediately and that are also used during EMDR therapy to calm disturbing thoughts and feelings.

As I’ve mentioned about Phase 2, during EMDR therapy you learn coping strategies and self-soothing techniques that you can use during EMDR processing or anytime you feel the need. You learn how to access a “Safe or Calm Place” which you can use at ANY TIME during EMDR processing (or on your own) if it feels scary, or too emotional, too intense.

One of the key assets of EMDR is that YOU, the client, are in control NOW, even though you likely were not during past events. You NEVER need re-live an experience or go into great detail, ever! You NEVER need to go through the entire memory. YOU can decide to keep the lights (or the alternating sounds and/or tactile pulsars, or the waving hand) going, or stop them, whichever helps titrate – measure and adjust the balance or “dose“ of the processing.

During EMDR processing there are regular “breaks” and you can control when and how many but the therapist should be stopping the bilateral stimulation every 25-50 passes of the lights to ask you to take a deep breath and ask you to say just a bit of what you’re noticing. (The stimulation should not be kept on continuously, because there are specific procedures that need to be followed to process the memory). The breaks help keep a “foot in the present” while you’re processing the past. Again, and I can’t say this enough, YOU ARE IN CHARGE so YOU can make the process tolerable. And your therapist should be experienced in the EMDR techniques that help make it the gentlest and safest way to neutralize bad life experiences and build resources.

Pacing and dosing are critically important. So if you ever feel that EMDR processing is too intense then it might be time to go back over all the resources that should be used both IN session and BETWEEN sessions. Your therapist should be using a variety of techniques to make painful processing less painful, like suggesting you turn the scene in your mind to black and white, lower the volume, or, erect a bullet-proof glass wall between you and the painful scene, or, imagine the abuser speaking in a Donald Duck voice... and so forth.

There are a lot of these kinds of "interventions" that ease the processing. They are called "cognitive interweaves" that your therapist can use, and that also can help bring your adult self's perspective into the work (or even an imaginary Adult Perspective). Such interweaves are based around issues of Safety, Responsibility, and Choice. So therapist questions like "are you safe now?" or "who was responsible? and "do you have more choices now?" are all very helpful in moving the processing along.

In addition to my therapy practice, I roam the web looking for EMDR discussions, try to answer questions about it posted by clients/patients, and respond to the critics out there. It's not a cure-all therapy. However, it really is an extraordinary psychotherapy and its results last. In the hands of a really experienced EMDR therapist, it's the most gentle way of working through disturbing experiences.
 
why spending enough time in the Preparation Phase (2) is imperative
lets us know that my patient is safe enough and able to cope
Interesting Pattijane. Thank you. And more and more I realise why some people end up damaged. It seems ridiculous when one hears about people going straight into EMDR on the second session with the therapist and not discussing what has transpired or is transpiring during or after. It also explains why it is so effective when done properly.

Maybe there should be controls on who does it and only therapists with the appropriate training allowed to do it. I also think the more general information of what good EMDR looks like the more it will help people identify when they are not being treated properly.
 
I have a consultation with a therapist who uses EMDR on Sat. It's in the morning, which is normally a bad time for me. (Still looking for a psychiatrist, but I have two months to take care of that.) I hope this goes well; I wasn't nervous till she called me back tonight...
 
Good luck Sarah! I was wondering how you were. Hoped I had not overwhelmed you with info. You will be fine. Just ask lots if questions if you can and if can't then that is OK to.
 
My psychiatrist is leaving his practice and going somewhere I can't follow him. I have only had a four or so meetings with him and none of the meds I am on were prescribed by him, so I am not heartbroken over this. I have narrowed down an extensive search to a psychiatrist who does CBT or a therapist who does EMDR. The psychiatrist has the benefit of a high quality mental hospital and support care.


Hi. I am new to this forum, but am not new to the effects of PTSD... I have been suffering since 2005 from a traumatic incident while at work. I received counselling , a combination of talking and CBT. After a while I didn't feel any better and went backwards. I have since been referred to an EMDR specialist. I must say that the sessions are very hard, tiring and at time I feel physically sick... But for once I do feel that I am making good progress. So I'm my opinion EMDR is the way forward, if you can deal with the pain initially. Good luck
 
I met with the new therapist and really liked her. She is encouraging me to research Cognitive Processing therapy (CPT). She said she has found that doing EMDR can bring things up and it is helpful to stop and use CPT before continuing. She wants me to know all the resources she uses, and to be comfortable if she wants to break and use a different method to more fully process the trauma. I see her again next week. She has also asked that while we begin therapy, I remain stable on my current medication regimen. That makes sense and gives me more time to find a new psychiatrist. My primary can give me refills in the meantime. I haven't felt well the past few days, so my anxiety has been up. Who knew constantly focusing on relaxation and deep breathing could be so exhausting...
 
That sounds positive. Just remember that YOU are in control of the sessions, and if you need a break or to focus on something else, you should be allowed to do so. If your counsellor is professional and experienced she will be able to read your signs and body language and be aware of things getting hard for you. Before you start in depth, talk to her and make sure you feel comfortable with the options available.
 
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