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Gf Has Ptsd And Has Requested No More Contact.

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That's because that's what I hope for vs what's really happening. I want her to be happy and safe and no I'm not dire pecking her boundaries. She literally told me today that she needed no contact and so I purposely deleted the app we were talking on so I wouldn't be tempted. She can call if she needs me...what is so hard to understand?
 
From coming to this site I realize now that I was pretty harsh when I was told not to contact my gf. Then again, I don't think it's an excuse to completely ignore someone you know is worried about you for weeks let alone months. I completely understand needing space. Space is a week or two tops to get back on your feet p, but 3 weeks or more is just asking to push the good people out of your life. It hurts so much for the non sufferers not because we are selfish, but because we lay awake worrying about them. We all have felt like withdrawing from the world, but I'm my opinion it's not right to do. I am aware that I may be offending some people here, but I don't really care since I'm getting off this site anyways. It's like allowing people with an alcohol problem to continually drink alcohol because that's how they cope. Shutting people out is a way of coping and it is toxic for both parties. As I had mentioned I have gone through my share of trauma, my body has just responded differently and I try to get as much help as possible. I know I don't cope in the healthiest ways, but it hurts me more to know that I'm also hurting someone else in the process. I have my set of triggers too and I have been to therapy many years trying to figure out why things make me act a certain way and I have learned that the only way to really deal with it is to talk about these problems. Shut outs should not be encouraged or empathized. People need to be pulled out of those places because that's where their true darkness finds them.
 
I am sorry if this is slightly off topic, looks like this thread is about out of steam anyhow. But the comparison of someone with PTSD to cancer or other serious illnesses just doesn't fly. I guess it is difficult for a sufferer to understand a supporter. A person with cancer or whatever is weak or ill at all times with everyone. Someone with PTSD acts one way with you and quite another with others. The comparison just doesn't fit. Many sufferers don't isolate universally from the world, they isolate from individuals close to them. If you happen to be that one and you see them acting ok with other people when they shut you out, it is hard not to conclude they are just a liar and hypocrite. They don't make those others jump through hoops. (Yes I am struggling right now.) And also, some sufferers do not ask for space, they just abruptly cut contact. Just end a conversation or visit and start ignoring texts/calls. It is one thing if someone asks for space or no contact, quite another when they say they love you too. Then drop you without warning. And leave you hanging to figure out that you are being stonewalled. I have also read many comments on this site where sufferers make so many conflicting comments to supporters that leave them confused about whether there is hope. That may contribute to so many wanting to hang on. My sufferer told me about shutting out others close to her for years and now she came back. Told me I would give up on her, everybody does. Sometimes supporters try to keep hoping because their sufferer has told them stuff that makes it harder to let go.
 
You are right that it is extremely hard to let go. I have been a supporter and it is heart wrenching. I feel furious when I'm on the other end of it. I set boundaries and change expectations if someone has such strong Ptsd symptoms hat if we get close, they will shut be out at times. I don't expect someone with PTSD to be able to maintain close relationaships before they are ready and recovered enough to do so.

Getting angry at them doesn't resolve the shut out.

No one here has said that shut outs are ok, and should be excused just because someone has PTSD.

I am also a sufferer.

When I shut someone out, yes, it is usually the people closest to me. It is not a cognitive act to abandon someone. It is a physical reality. I have also been through chemo. The sickness from chemo and the way it impaired me actually did have many simulators to PTSD now.

Close relationships are where there is the most vulnerability, the most risk, and the most contact. When I was sick from chemo, I could do the one time trips to the post office. I couldn't do the daily trips to the gym.

Similarly, more distant relationships do not require the level of vulnerability and emotional heart that close ones do.

If someone has PTSD symptoms at the hands of humans, relationships become scary. Especially close ones because that is where the most risk for hurt is. It doesn't mean that the supporter is dangerous. It means that the random stranger I see walking down the street isn't as like to have as much ability to wound my heart as my romantic partner.

It's not right, it's not ok to abruptly shut people out, PTSD or not. It's also not something that changes by blaming the sufferer and getting angry at them and judging them for not being stronger human beings who are more able to have the strength to engage close relationships.

It hurts like hell to shut people out - for the person who is shutting people out. I believe that if most sufferers who shut people out could just stop and be different, they would. In a heartbeat.

But just as chemo takes time to get through, so does recovery from PTSD and the issues behind why people shut others out.

That all being said, of course their are vast differences between suffering from cancer and PTSD. It is not a full comparison. PTSD sufferers are responsibility for guWe actions. You are completely right that people who shut others out should at least give others a heads up that it happens at times.

It takes time for sufferers to have that self understanding and awareness and courage to do that.

Trauma, especially trauma at the hands of other humans that sufferers were close with, taught PTSD sufferers to equate vulnerability with incredible danger. That is why close relationships are where the most shut outs happen. It's not often done as an act to get the supporter, although it is hurtful. It is done as an act of what the sufferer is able to do at the time to get through. Hopefully as a sufferer gets treatment and recovers, it will get better and that strength to be in close vulnerable relationships gets stronger too, just as the chemo patient gets stronger as the chemo gets done and the body heals.
 
A person with cancer or whatever is weak or ill at all times with everyone. Someone with PTSD acts one way with you and quite another with others. The comparison just doesn't fit.
I'm not sure you are correct here. I'm sure you have had times in your life when you've had some kind of simple illness, say, a nasty cold. And you haven't had the option to just stay in bed for a whole week and rest, relax, and get over it properly. So, you drag yourself to work. Perhaps it's a job you really care about, and you don't want to be perceived as complaining too much, plus, you just don't believe in making everything about how sick you feel. So, you do your best to appear less sick than you really are. And then, when you get home, you collapse, twice as tired as you'd normally be (because you are sick).

Nearly everyone with an illness does this - whether it's a cold or leukemia or PTSD.

Now, if you are lucky enough to have people in your life who really care about you and you trust them, and can really be yourself with them - well, if one of those people were to come over after you'd just gotten through your horrible day at work when you are exhausted and just need to sleep - you would be much more likely to tell that person exactly how you feel, which is exhausted, sick, and tired. You'd tell them because you can trust them, and because you know there will be no negative blowback from being honest. They are your friend, they will still be your friend. And your good friend will say they understand, ask if they can help, you will tell them no, and they will go away and not resent you for not being able to go out to the movies, or whatnot.

But let's say there's something off-kilter in the relationship. Say your friend is insecure about their relationship with you - or say you are worried about ditching your friend because they have been going through a bad time too - any, any number of insecurities, worries, awkwardness - they just bubble up to the surface in times like this.

So, you're the sick person: you can barely stand up - but your friend really needs you so you drag yourself out of bed and go to the movies with them, and the whole time you are wishing you could have just been honest and told them you really, really couldn't. Or come up with some different activity. Something.

Most people will do this: when the friend calls two days later, wanting to go out again, and you still have a cold - most people will avoid talking to the friend and trying to say "no" again. Because we are human, and not perfectly well-rounded walking examples of mental health all the time.

I'm not saying it is right or wrong, it's just what happens, as long as there is some insecurity in the relationship. Make it a romantic relationship and the chances for that insecurity increase exponentially. And make the illness one of mental health (where we are often inter-personally challenged anyway), and yes, the chances of there being miscommunication, hurt feelings, anger, abandonment....those go through the roof.

And when the relationship is a deep and loving one, those things go through the roof too, for different reasons. When the people we love most are hurting, and we can't do anything about it, it hurts us too, in a different way. They are struggling and we are helpless.

But you can't fix someone elses' struggle. And they can't fix your helplessness. What can happen is both parties can do their best to be always upfront about what's going on, and not be afraid to talk about it. Yes, when you are the "well" one, that burden of being brave can fall on you more often - and that is the challenge every supporter hits when maintaining any relationship to a sufferer.

It doesn't mean you should tolerate things that are intolerable to you. But it does mean that you also can recognize your own capacity, when you are getting burned out, when you need to get some help for yourself, when you need a break.

And on the sufferer side, we have a responsibility to meet you where we are at, to the best of our (compromised) ability. It's actually the responsibility any person has towards another in any close relationship. Be honest about where you are at and do your best.

Illness is messy.

But don't for a moment think that mental illness is any less debilitating than any life-threatening illness. It is not a terminal diagnosis. But it's also not an allergy. it's not even a broken bone. It's a number of systems in the body going haywire.

I often think, if we somehow showed our insides more fully as a physical manifestation - if the mental illness was reflected on the body, showed up as open sores and wounds and pus and blood - we would be no less misunderstood and even feared, but at least people would see what it feels like.

I don't wish that. But it's the best way I have to describe what it feels like, on the inside.

/end soapbox
 
It's like allowing people with an alcohol problem to continually drink alcohol because that's how they cope. Shutting people out is a way of coping and it is toxic for both parties. As I had mentioned I have gone through my share of trauma, my body has just responded differently and I try to get as much help as possible.
Wow, that's really a nice one, isn't it? So you imply, that she or us don't try to get much help as possible? You, the one who admitted, that you don't know much or anything about PTSD?
I'm still just trying to understand the disease.
and I have learned that the only way to really deal with it is to talk about these problems. Shut outs should not be encouraged or empathized. People need to be pulled out of those places because that's where their true darkness finds them.
So you want to play the "I'm your saviour, be at least thankful for all my efforts!"
all my past relationships have been with healthy people and never thought they understood real trauma. She's gone through it...so she knows exactly what it's like to not have anyone else understand. I admit I should have been more understanding,
That is exactly, what your thread really about: It's about your wants and needs. And that you thought, you'd finally found someone who understands you. It's not about you worrying for her. Because as you already stated:
I still feel a little cheated...
Yes, honestly, I did feel abandoned.
it sounds kind of sick to say but I actually viewed her disease as a way to connect with her like I couldn't connect with anyone else.
Man, this whole thread is solely and simply about what you wanted for yourself. You're disappointed, that once more, you didn't find someone who cares, understands, loves you. You, you, and you again. That's it; Your ego got a bit indendet, when you were rejected. How dares your (ex)girlfriend, who had her own heavy share of trauma to abandon you? When instead it would have been her duty to pamper you. Because after all, she's the broken one who didn't handle her trauma, her rape that well as you say you did with your traumas! How dares she, the one with PTSD, to say NO to you? That's why you feel cheated! And yes, the way you expected her to be there for you, because she should have understood you is actually kind of sick / unhealthy and very, very self-centered!

So right now, she seems to be the one to handle things more healthy than you, by demanding space and no contact from you. Could it be, that she sensed that this relationship with you would be toxic for her?... She's actually doing healthy self care.
 
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Shut outs should not be empathized?

Maybe your need for air when being suffocated should not be empathized, or your need for water should not be empathized when you are severely dehydrated or your need for food be empathized when you haven't eaten in weeks.

Do you see the point?

Space is definitely a need for those with PTSD. I'm not encouraging unannounced shut outs, but you were indeed told to leave her alone. This was her way of speaking to you, but you do not want to accept it. You were given what MANY supporters are not, and that is verbal confirmation that space is needed. Your needs are obviously different than what this woman can provide you, so yes, it is good for you to completely move on.

If you care to understand PTSD, please don't just argue with what everyone in this thread has been saying. It shows a lack of true compassion on your part. You think you know better by saying that we need to be pulled out of our darkness? Nope, it doesn't work that way. Nobody can pull us out, rather we must do the work ourselves with the support of friends and family.

I get the feeling that you're like my ex. He had a lot of problems of his own, but refused to even acknowledge any of them because he only wanted to fix me. I was the problem, the identified patient. He was the white knight that thought he could make me all better. He didn't understand why I'm not on medication or in therapy all the time as those are logical "fixes" to someone who is as bad off as I am (unable to work and on disability). He screamed up and down and side to side that he would do anything to help me, to make "us" work....he didn't understand my disorder in the least, even though I gave him a number of books to read.

Do you understand at all what its like to be on system overload? We get so stressed out that the only option is to eliminate all sources of stress and retreat. Lets say you went out running. Nice, fun, activity for many, right? Well, at the end of your run you could feel yourself becoming fatigued and new you needed to rest. But, people are telling you that running is good, so even though your body is telling you to rest, these other people say "NO! You can't rest because running is so good for you and so you must keep going!" So finally you get so exhausted that you simply stop running altogether, but other people keep on insisting that you get up and run, even though you don't have the energy for it. They don't understand that you need to refuel and rest. Yes, so this is an out there example, but I think it proves my point. You have the belief that contact with other people is universally a good thing but I can assure you that it is not. We need time to de-stress, rest, and refuel, and that is what happens when we are alone.
 
I have a relationship with a non sufferer and a very successful and happy one at that. His main attributes which make it so successful are that he has the self confidence not to feel rejected, understands and respect without question what I need on my low spells, does not expect explanation of my thoughts and feelings at that time...these are mine share if and when I want, does not put any pressure on me concerning a time limit to my recovery of the episode I'm going through and knows that he cannot save or cure me...any attempt at that would make me walk out and never look back.....in fact I'd run like hell.
 
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