Gulf War Vets - Sarin Gas Exposure

[Grizzly]

Old news. I had not watched the video segment.


http://www.c-span.org/video/?182075-1/sarin-exposure-gulf-war-illnesses

 

[atilla]

I got about half way through it Grizzly, watching the rest of it later. This is the first time i've watched it too. Good info.

 

[reddevil1111]

in official Marine Corps History there is the recorded deaths of two amtrack crewmembers from 2/7 they ran over a chemical landmine the first few hours of the assault in storm.

Yet the state dept official position is there was no death's or even any release of chemical weapons of any kind.

 

[atilla]

My unit, red, 2-187th inf, continuously had our chemical detectors going off. yep no release of anything.We all know the state department is full of shit when it comes to desert storm. I think those little white pills they had us take over there also has something to do with some of the symptoms GW vets have.

 

[reddevil1111]

they do. So did the improper injections. We were supposed to receive 3 injections over three months for anthrax. And while getting any one injection you were supposed to wait till you had that one finished before beginning another. I got 3 shots over a two day period. They said it was for nerve agents,anthrax and other shit. Dont ask just get in line.

We had some chemical indicators. Test films and paper. No chemical alarms like you guys had. We ran out of testing stuff within the first month and never had any more issued.

We would have an alarm, go to full MOPP and sit like that for hours. We used to sleep in full MOPP even the gas mask while we slept just in case there was an attack while we slept.

If we had an alert, we didnt know if it was all clear. So we would tell one guy to remove his mask. If he lived for 5 minutes without the mask we knew it was safe.

God that brings back some shitty memories ya know?!

All that oil in the air. We walked in it, slept in it. bathed in it. no effects though....right....

Then we can talk about spoor from depleted uranium shells hitting the armor and light vehicles. How we had to crawl all over every one looking for anyone that might be alive so we could be sure there was no trap waiting to shoot us in the back. No effects from that shit either.

Oh and then you learn about the contaminated drinking water at Camp LeJune NC. i drank that shit as a kid....then again when I served.

 

[atilla]

Yeah Brother, shitty memories... also the damn sandstorms blowing whatever all over the place. Right I was all over the highway of death checking out what our aircraft did to the camel jockeys. Remeber, Red, the flies...how there wouldn't be a fly around, until you opened an MRE, then they were every where., mouth nose...i still almost freak out if one lands on me even today..lol.

 

[dutchiedelta]

Water with lots of bleach in it.
The smell of chlorine puts me right back in time.

 

[Grizzly]

Red and atilla, you guys mentioned all kinds of shit that's slipped my mind.

We were made to sign gag orders on the shots. Said we couldn't talk about it cause there wasn't enough to go around. M8 alarms go off. We would go and test. I was on the NBC team. Manual tests indicated positive for nerve agents. But we were told it was false for the diesel fuel we sprayed on the roads for dust control. Oh...f*cking flies. Basra...what a disaster. I had more friendly fire than enemy fire. The best...sitting in a GP medium guarding the bomb providing heat. What a design. A pot belley stove with a rubber hose that ran out into an upside down can of mo gas. Dripping onto an open flame to provide heat. We finally said f*ckit and tossed c4 into it for fuel. Safer.

 

[Barberian]

Even out in the middle of the Gulf the air was smoggy - really smoggy. Black oil fire smog from the wells burning. At sea level visibility was only a mile or two sometimes. Every evening we had very deep red sunsets from the pollution. The three cruises after the first Gulf war, the air was NOTHING like it. I know oil smoke doesn't compare to the chemical fire's smoke, but it still wasn't pleasant or healthy. I just wonder what all was in that air and how dispersed the chemical fire smoke was in all the rest of the smog. For the record, I'm not claiming chemical weapons exposure from the smoke, but I do wonder some times. My lungs aren't the best. I spent almost 2 years on light duty because of a mysterious lung issue with COPD. I couldn't even walk up a flight of stairs without having to rest for a while. I got pulled from my command and sent to NH Balboa in San Diego for 6 months on LIMDU (limited duty). They did all kinds of testing and couldn't figure out what was wrong. I never did pass a physical readiness test after that, but was able to "work" the system so I could stay in until I retired four years or so later.

 

[atilla]

Holy camel crap batman, I just figured out why ISIS is on the rampage...they all have GWS, they have been living in that shit since '91. Ain't that FUBAR..lol

 

[Grizzly]

@atilla that was funny.

 

[Grizzly]

Here is a little more info about those Anthrax Vaccines. See if your unit or ship was among the bad doeses. Mine was.


FYI: Here again are the lot numbers for squalene-laced anthrax vaccine (and lots suspected of containing it). Following the lot numbers are some of the locations where these lots were administered. The location list is only partial, and based on available information from patient medical records, a Michigan Biologics Product Institute (MBPI) inventory and data from Tulane University Medical School.


LOT NUMBERS

Squalene-Positive [per FDA and SRI]:
FAV 008, FAV 020, FAV 030, FAV 038, FAV 043, FAV 047

Have Induced Anti-Squalene Antibodies [per Tulane Med School]:
FAV 041, FAV 070 and FAV 071

Associated with Autoimmune-Related Symptoms or Fullly Diagnosed Autoimmune Diseases in Troops [per Tulane]:
FAV 017, FAV 048b, FAV 066, FAV 068, FAV 069, FAV 073, FAV 074, FAV 075, FAV 078


LOCATIONS

FAV 008
Dover AFB (Delaware); fort Bragg (North Carolina), BioPort (administered to workers); Shipments of FAV 008 were also sent to Israel, Germany, Taiwan and Canada.

FAV 017
Osan, South Korea; Tripler Army Medical Center (Hawaii); Camp Lejeune (North Carolina); Fort Stewart (Georgia); 18th MEDCOM APO AP; Grand Forks AFB (North Dakota); Eleleson AFB (Arkansas), U.S. Air Force Academy (Colorado); Fort Drum (New York); Fort Campbell (Kentucky); Langley AFB (Virginia); Ellsworth AFB (South Dakota); Mountain Home AFB (Idaho); MacDill AFB (Florida); Pearl Harbor (Hawaii); Offut AFB (Nebraska); Barksdale AFB (Arkansas); Portsmouth (Virginia); Moody AFB (Georgia); Buckley ANG (Colorado); Malmstrom AFB (Montana); Fort Lewis (Washington); Davis-Monthan AFB (Arizona); Beale AFB (California); Fairchild AFB (Washington); Barkdale AFB (Arkansas); Virgnia Beach (Virginia)

FAV 020
Al Jaber, Kuwait; U.S.S. Independence (Persian Gulf); U.S.S. San Jacinto (Persian Gulf); Saudi Arabia; A shipment of FAV 020 was also sent to Australia.

FAV 030
Al Jaber, Kuwait; Dover AFB (Delaware); Michigan ANG (Michigan); Holloman AFB (New Mexico); Perry Point (Maryland); Naval Station Everett (Washington); Norfolk (Virginia); Cannon AFB (New Mexico); Holloman AFB (New Mexico); McChord AFB (Washington); Shaw AFB (South Carolina); Nellis AFB (Nevada); Fort Lewis (Washington); Travis AFB (California); Fort Bliss (Texas); Fort Dix (New Jersey); Grand Forks AFB (North Dakota); Seymour-Johnson AFB (North Carolina); Hickham AFB (Hawaii); Peterson AFB (Colorado); McConnell AFB (Kansas); Camp Pendleton (California); Naval Air Station Joint Reserve Base Willow Grove (Pennsylvania); Redstone Arsenal (Alabama); F.E. Warren AFB (Wyoming); Shipments of FAV 030 were also sent to Germany and Canada.

FAV 038
Osan, South Korea; U.S.S. Roosevelt; Hill AFB (Utah); Fort Benning (Georgia); BioPort (administered to workers)

FAV 041
Al Jaber, Kuwait; Westover AFB (Massachusetts); Dover AFB (Delaware); Michigan ANG (Michigan); Dharhan, Saudi Arabia; Tyndall AFB (Florida)

FAV 043
Osan, South Korea; Wright-Patterson AFB (Ohio); Tennessee ANG (Tennessee); Dover AFB (Delaware); Fort Bragg (North Carolina); Oklahoma ANG (Oklahoma); Grand Forks AFB (North Dakota); Travis AFB (California); Naval Air Station Joint Reserve Base Willow Grove (Pennsylvania); Fort Sill (Oklahoma); Key Field (Mississippi)

FAV 047
Travis AFB (California); Dover AFB (Delaware); BioPort (administered to workers)

FAV 048b
Grand Forks AFB (North Dakota)

FAV 070
Dyess AFB (Texas)

FAV 071
Dover AFB (Delaware); Camp Lejeune (North Carolina)

FAV 073
Fort Hood (Texas); Fort McCoy (Wisconsin)

FAV 078
Al Jaber, Kuwait