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News Gun Control - It Took An Aussie Comedian To Get It Right

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But it does happen, already. In so many places that aren't the US, and for multitude of people in places that are the US.

It's not some 'what if' scenarios in so many places of the world.

Edited, for I'm seeing I wasn't clear in what I'm reacting to: Reacting to the part 'in a case of such an unfortunate event' - though the part about civility also stays, I can't really say that places I've been to in my life turned into immediate chaos with everyone being a bastard. Because if they were, clearly I wouldn't be here.
 
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And, quite honestly, I wish I could be like many other people, and focus on the positivities of humanity. Because, I know there are some good and decent people left out there in the world. But, unfortunately, that ability was driven from me a long time ago. It won't change for me. Ever
 
Maybe this will be in some way cathartic - If I had a gun then what would it have changed?
Mid day nice neighborhood taking the dog out and both of us, but more her froze and then bolted she dragged me down steps and then away from our porch. A car high speed 3 houses from the corner barely are two lane and 25mph, 5 shots not many feet from me in to the back of a 16 year old getting into his car. His girl friend escaped by feet. I saw it all and was in the line of fire. Our screaming still rings in my ears. How would me having a gun have changed that?
 
Maybe this will be in some way cathartic - If I had a gun then what would it have changed?
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Well, it would greatly depend on your personal fight/flight response, and your proficiency with the weapon. I hate that you were involved in something so terrible. It is perfectly okay to fear guns, and not want them around. I respect that. As for me, I personally prefer having something of lethal force around, just in case. But, that's just me.
 
I'll admit to being ignorant of the detailed arguments. But coming from a culture where having a gun is not the norm (on the very rare occasion I see one being carried it really stands out and makes me nervous, they are weapons after all..) I just don't get it.

How many more Sandy Hooks, or kids accidentally killing themselves or others because they found mum's revolver in her purse does it take.

I just don't see how stricter gun controls can be a bad thing.
 
I'll admit to being ignorant of the detailed arguments. But coming from a culture where having a gun is not...
It isn't a bad thing, if applied properly and fairly. Unfortunately, people with mental health issues here in the states have been under attack for some time now. Some fools believe that we sufferers are just too 'crazy' to have a gun. Personally, I don't worry much about people with MI's. It's the "normal" people you have to watch out for.
 
That works only if you've got a bunch of people who go by that and are, basically, shit problem solvers who don't think.

And if it's things they're so much after? I'm good giving that up and not sharing space with the madman, meantime plotting their demise.

People who think that way in critical situations are no one to be in charge of anything. It's only responsible to not give them the power, and if they have it already, to work on lowering it, if it's in one's capacity & chances to do so.

It's interesting that under present western systems, where assaults against a person or theft and destruction of their property, are treated as "offences against the state", but are largely ignored by the state (it is much easier for a bureaucratic system to get its quota of arrests and convictions for victimless "crimes"), and even if offences against individuals are followed up, the actual victim gets no recompense...

there is little incentive for victims to participate in the state sector [in]justice system.

There is also a proliferation of people who have learned that they can live without respecting reciprocity in human interactions.

You are absolutely right, that if (or when) SHTF, those anti social individuals which the present system facilitates, are going to have to re learn some manners and common human decency, very quickly.

or else receive a trace element supplement*

However, if and when modern society breaks down, much of humanity will resort to destructive, primitive, & basic reptilian thinking. It would be great if people would try to maintain some form of civility, but many will be in desperate need of water, food, toiletries, drugs, etc, and will resort to violent means to acquire those things. Money will be rendered meaningless, and lawlessness and violence will reign supreme.
@Cashew has very nicely addressed the question of money very quickly arising on a market ( Here's another example, from WW2 POW camps https://duckduckgo.com/?q=The+Economic+Organisation+of+a+P.O.W.+Camp.+by+R.A.+Radford+.pdf&t=debian ) The collapse of the division of labour and the economy that brought down the Roman civilization does have many parallels with today, with an imperial leadership that continually diluted the purchasing power of the money (in the Roman case, there is a very nice graph showing the decline in the silver content of dinari coins through the "Empire" period, compared to the present day erosion of the purchasing power of the Dollar, especially following the "closure of the gold window" by Tricky Dicky Nixon in 1971) while trying to enforce price controls on the plebs.

The Roman civilization's collapse and the collapse which will happen to us, unless there is a change away from fiat currency. Is not due to the absence of rulers - it is caused by rulers, using currency debasement as a mechanism to transfer wealth away from productive people and to the rulers and their cronies. Recent examples of this include Zimbabwe, Venezuela, Argentina (several times), and it looks like Japan is heading that way now.

The rulers are the ones who want us without guns, supposedly so we don't go hurting each other, while during the 20th century alone, outside of war, governments killed at least 262,000,000 individuals, many more than the wars of that century, and many more than all private sector murderers in all of human history ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democide#Examples ).

It is a good idea for as many people as possible to understand what money is, and how it works, so that we can speedily discover new monies, when the state imposed ones collapse.

Regarding the Hobbesian Myth (without a monopolist of violence, there would be a war of all upon all, human life would be nasty short and brutish). Thomas Hobbes got his cause and effect messed up:

It is rulers who pit groups of people against each other, and who present themselves as the peace makers - at a very high price (20%+ VAT, 30%+ income tax, property tax, fuel tax... c3% compound erosion of purchasing power of savings per year since 1914...).

When the state systems collapse, or a coup d'etat takes place, some remnants of the regime, continue to live as they have become accustomed, by violent extortion. Examples of this are

  • former ministers and generals of Said Barre's Soviet client regime who currently operate as warlords around Mogadishu in Somalia ( Away from Mogadishu, for example Puntland and Somaliland, the standard of living has moved from bottom of the rankings of sub Saharan African countries to around half way up those rankings, since the Barre regime was dismantled, it is still Sub Saharan Africa, but it is getting better at a faster rate than its statist neighbours).
  • The Sicilian Mafia and Calabrian Camorra, representing remnants of a former Sicilian/Neapolitan regime
  • The Chinese Triads, who are descended from remnants of the Ming dynasty regime.
The people themselves are very good at interacting peacefully:
http://www.bookdepository.com/Law-Somalis-Michael-Van-Notten/9781569022504

http://www.bookdepository.com/Indigenous-African-Institutions-George-B-N-Ayittey/9781571053374

http://www.bookdepository.com/Enterprise-Law-Bruce-L-Benson/9781598130447
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In the states, many people have had so many of their rights as a citizen slowly stripped away o...
True, you don't need guns to commit mass murder, the two deadliest terror attacks did not involve one gun. The Oklahoma City bombing and 9-11.
 
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