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Has Your Opinion About God Been Affected by Your Suffering?

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I know those tent meetings Void speaks of as I was organising them ... all that not so long ago and the huge pressure release to not have that culture over my head now is enormous. I love the freedom I have found outside of organised religion. I really can't equate an omnipotent being with the practices of the church.

I am inclined to believe that we are hear for some reason - probably to evolve and that must mean that there is some greater perspective which we cannot see on this dimension. I think I have stopped believing in God and probably lean towards an understanding of some entity that we are all part of, like - the sum of the parts make up the whole and the whole is greater than the sum of the parts - type theory. This means that every animate and inanimate object on the planet is linked, you and I and everything around us are tied together and make up some larger consciousness.

People are evil and good - the more they evolve the more pure they become and the better the earth experience is for themselves and for the world - they acquire a state of heaven on earth as their perspective is one of positivity, humility, generosity and grace. However, the more evil people inflict the less their spirit evolves and the less they 'live', their earth experience causes a hell like state for themselves.

We went though hellish experiences, this is true, but we do not need to live in hell. Indeed many people on this forum live such positive lives even in their affliction, it amazes me and gives me strength. Somedays it is not possible to do and other days it seems an easier task. The choice is always ours. I decide how I respond moment by moment and my deciding is choosing heaven or hell.

My abusers live in a daily hell, I can see the burden of guilt they carry, it twists their faces and knots their muscles, they endure all forms of physical ailment. I do not need to allow their actions to affect me anymore. Infact, my liberty is their burden. They see me shake loose the burden of abuse and rise up to be the powerful, loving being I am, and they no longer hold me captive. Every day I get stronger and although I live with all the craziness of PTSD, I decide that my abusers can no longer hold me down. For so long I believed that if I showed any form of positive emotion around them, that I would somehow be denying the reality of the abuse. I caused my own hell doing this. It is my job to create (take action) my heaven on earth and heaven, as far as it is possible, for others.

God does not come into it for me - if God exists or not is not a question I am able to answer anymore. I know that I have the power to affect my life and bring about beauty for myself and others. That is all I need to know for now. Many people here have helped me evolve and understand my own experience wih PTSD and THAT is creating heaven ... people here are creating a better world every day and I am so grateful to be part of such a caring community.
 
Although I was raised in a Catholic family, I am not religious. I do believe in god, but I don't go to church or pray daily . I think I believe because it's from being taught the Fire and Brimstone Catholic way. Anyway.....

I don't believe that God does anything to us, I don't believe that God created disease, or wants us to suffer pain. I believe that man is responsible for these and more.

There are good and bad in every thing here on Earth, we are just the recipients of the bad. Sucks for us!!!!!
 
i have questioned God, been angry with Him, and surrendered to Him. in the long run, He has been my sustainer through all of this the first time around and again. i trust Him, He has shown me He is real, and that He loves me. many things i don't know. i will trust the things that i do know, and He is one of them.
cathy
 
Void
I can see from your thread that you are not trying to be converted into a different or stronger belief in God. Therefore I will try not to preach to you about all that you problably already know.
However my PTSD was not caused by God. Self seeking Humans caused my pain. Humans are free to make free thinking choices and yes when these choices are for self gratification or evil lust it hurts innocent people. We do not live in the garden of eden, we humans decided a long time ago to push our selfs out of that perfect place. Therefore on planet earth we humans rule this little world. Yes there is good(God) and evil(Satan) in everything around us. Yes both sides affect each and every human differently. As you project you anger on God, I project my anger on humans. I did not say I was perfect because you can argue that if I believe so much in this peace loving God then why don't I love people like he does. I would answer that I am not God. I am human and honestly I do not believe we humans will ever love each other. When I went off to War I was willing to give my life for other lifes. Yes I killed to save other people with the same mind set as myself. Humans do crazy stuff. Please do not confuse God with religion. Religion is the way most humans justify God. Humans want to control everything. We humans kill each other for our religios beliefs which we say are God inspired. Most religions are human inspired to try and figure out God or to get other people to follow one group. I can not make a strong stand for most religions.
Just to be polite I will write a disclaimer for my opinion. If you do not believe the way I do, you are entiled to your belief. I do mean to offend just to justify the way I feel. Peace for Now.:thumbs-up
 
:hello:Sirsir,

You stated about me "As you project your anger on God" but I never stated or implied that I am angry or that I am projecting same toward God. I am only questioning what has been taught about God.

Void:smile:
 
Sirsir

You made a statement that has never impacted me like this one

"Please don't confuse God with religion"

I am speechless, which for me is something! I am rarely at a loss for words. But this has stopped me in my tracks. It makes more sense to me than anything I've heard in a long time. It is so CORRECT. More people need to realize this fact. I just never thought about it like this.

While raised in the church, as an adult I have not been one to "attend church" but that does not mean I don't believe. I do! Your small but significant statement has caused me to do a lot of thinking and I am more aware that "my" religion" is OK and the way I practice it is OK too!

For this, I thank you!
 
I don´t think so. I believe in god, but technically I´m a pagan, I´ve never been officially baptized into any religion, but I was influenced by christianity.
I don´t see how any of my problems was really caused by god, I sort of see this as a free will thing. Can´t give it to one and take it away from somebody else. It´s all human and I kind of like to think that there is absolute perfection in some form of so called higher power.
 
Void let me say how sorry that I am for misunderstanding your statement
Could God have stopped them? If he could why didn't he? If god is all powerful then he could have stopped the abuse, but he did not. Why? Did God want you to suffer?
I saw this as implied anger. Therefore I misunderstood your earlier statement. Of course I by no means wanted to change your opinion about God just to give my opinion to your question.:thumbs-up Peace for now.
 
SirSir and Grandma Herc

You two seem to understand the difference between religion and god. Please explain it to me, because I see them as the same.

2quilt
 
Religion is man's attempt at spiritual enlightenment by doing something, whatever it may be (scary thought), over and over again to reach the goal of spiritual perfection. This is referred to as "works".

End result........Pride in achievement. Ephesians 2:8,9

Original fall of Satan........Pride. Isaiah 14:12,13

God wants spiritual fruit with a relationship through Jesus Christ, not religious nuts. Pauls letter to the Galatians: Galatians 5:22-25


My personal walk with God has been an amazing journey, and my PTSD has been a tool used to draw me closer to where I need to be. Sure I have my times of sin and darkness, but I know I am never out of His reach. He is truely my only hope, and the only hope I need. He has proven Himself to me again, and again beyond any doubt, but ask me to prove that, and I can't. All I can say that He alone is what sustains me.
 
God started for me as an experience of being submerged in the Caribbean sea at the age of four years, treading the turquoise, swishing around and around to see the island, and out there. I felt safe. No one had warned me about sharks (though by seven, I was well informed, thanks to a big brother who wanted to be an oceanographer, and by the spine-critching shock of seeing a barracuda flash out of nowhere and past my face -- a javelin of a fish. Just aims and fires). (Religious experience: animist; a sense of unity and immanence)

GOD became my mother, who suffered harrowing psychosis when she drank. There were times when I could only see her as a demon. During my therapy years I called her "the demon mother." I have drawings, done in soft chalk with my non-dominant hand, that frighten anyone who's seen them. (There was no religious behaviour in my family, except to be good Christmas and Easter offertory-plate-filling Anglicans. So I had very little idea of what "God" was, other than maybe the big "eye" [burl] in the maple tree outside my bedroom window. I could imagine angels, though. They were the saviours. One sat in the trunk of my maple tree and watched over me at night. She didn't move to our next house...my mother took to beating me in my bed in the middle of the night.)

I was confirmed with sudden and inexplicable pomp and circumstance, having been transfered to an Anglican school. Chapel every morning; must wear a veil and spend most of every service on your gangly adolescent knees. Ouch.

The confirmation stirred up a weird, saccharine gaiety in my mother for about a week. She was just thrilled to confirm me. Neither of my brothers were confirmed (though my older sister was).

Religious blank-slate state lasted 'til I was just turned 21. I went to one of those yearly Easter services with my mother and sister, who spent much of the service whispering and nattering to each other.

I fell in love with the vicar.

He was a fiery fellow, though contained. Gorgeous, sonorous voice (he directed the choir, which was laughable -- most everyone in the choir knew it was laughable too, so choir practice could be fun unless our rector -- one of the central movers and shakers involved in a major overhaul of our denomination's hymn book. I came to notice, over time, that the good reverend had a habit of looking at my chest, not my eyes, when we were in our "counseling" sessions. (Religion: blind, naive faith; then Ick.) I tried hard to maintain my "good-Christian" visage while working towards my undergrad degree. No go -- as often happens when one moves away from home, the sheer variety of humans and all our cultures tossed me into a spiritual tailspin.

I've called myself a few "ists" over the years -- existentialist, humanist, Buddhist, Taoist; I've checked out Wicca, Paganism, Sufism, monasticism, a whole mess of New Age stuff. Psychotherapy -- with all its attendent workshops, theories, modalities, and experiences was as close as I got to "religion" for about a decade. I have felt sincere reverence for aspects of just about every wisdom tradition, and my home base for the last 27 years (and for the rest of my life) is the I Ching.

I simply can't stomach most of organized religion ... and I recoil at how much insane behaviour can be evident in its extreme expressions. I also seem constitutionally incapable of sensing or imaging a human "God" or "Goddess" -- perhaps because my first "God" was that demon mother.

I think there's some kind of Intelligence, some Force, that creates everything ... and I think it's waaay beyond our comprehension. That's explanation enough for me ... I just know it in my bones, and it doesn't have a Name.
 
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