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News Hooray! Osama Bin Laden Is Dead!!!!

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I had mixed emotions considering I was in the VA hospital when i heard the news and I was dealing with an infection from the 8th surgery I had on my leg since i gto wounded in Iraq. For all I know Al Quaeda in Iraq could have planted the IEd that hit our convoy and ruined the rest of my military career.. So I must say that at least for an instant i was supremely happy. Then the weirdest thing happened and all of a sudden i had a full blown anxiety attack and could not stop crying and had to be sedated. So I guess one can say i had two different reactions. For all the talk about us being in iraq because of Saddam Hussein, the fact is that we were there for a war on terror and Osama Bin Laden at least for every individual soldier was always the target. God bless the Navy Seals who finally got him and while I am not naive enough to think this will end terrorism worldwide, I also know that for me a monster has finally been put down and the world can only be a better place for it.
 
Annie's quote: Bin Laden, in his last moments, grabbed his wife and used her as human shield. Nice.

That is not a true statement. That is what the US government said at first. It was later taken back!

Further thought:
I believe that people get confused about the fact that the governments are behind this crap. Not the soldiers (my son and daughter in law are in the US Navy). It's about misinformation, it's about being led away from the truth about the fact that the US government (along with so many other governments) are not taking care of their people anymore. This event sure is a distraction from some of the big issues in the US right now...people losing their houses, no health insurance, etc.

Let's all try to remember that we all have a right to our opinions. I hope we all also remember that take the freakin government boundaries away and in the end we are all people.

I also KNOW from living in the US for over 32 years and then living in Europe for almost 14 years that I tend to have different perspectives on the situations than the US or the Europeans. I try to look at it from all sides. Maybe we need to find a way to respect each other and to also learn from our different views?

Now I can just sit back and wait for the attack?!:confused:
 
In my opinion, there is and never was an Islamic terrorist group named Al Qaeda. Every single informed government official knows this. This was and still is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the "devil" only in order to drive the "tv watcher" to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this is sadly that of my own. (US) The US as well as the lobbyists for the US war on terrorism are only interested in making money.

Al Qaeda's Arabic meaning can be translated as-the base. However the more widely known use of this in Arabic is "Ana raicha Al-Qaeda." Which mean...I'm going to the toilet. "Al Qaeda" being the word "toilet." I highly doubt Bin Laden named his intricate terror attack network the "toilet." This was a name created by the CIA and they are still laughing about it while we are all watching in fear for the color change on the threat level alert system. The government wants us afraid.

The only thing we as the American people have going for us is our population. This is what they are afraid of. This is why they "keep us in line."

I am not trying to push my opinions on anyone. I have read many conspiracy theories as well as the government's "truths." I am not talking out of my A$$. I have seen many controlled demolitions. 9/11 was a prime example of a controlled demolition. Those towers crumbled into their own footprint. Why did the third tower fall? A plane did not hit it. It fell because of the thermite used in those buildings. (thermite causes short bursts of high temperatures to melt steel) There is scientific evidence that thermite residue was found at ground zero. Thermite residue being found at ground zero is 100% fact.

I want to support this country. I want to be able to live in a place that I feel is safe. I want to be "Proud to be an American." Instead, I am fearful. I am fearful because gas prices are now as high as they were before we invaded Iraq. I am scared because the government wants us to be afraid. They are warning us because a supposed "retaliation" may be made by the "toilet." This translates to me that something else in the works for us. I pray for each and everyone of us as well as every single soldier that our country does not start another World War.

I am guessing Obama is now a shoe in for re-election since he "got" Bin Laden? Funny how this occurs as we are starting to look for potential candidates for the 2012 election. God help us all.

I wish I had the ability to "like" my own post on threads. At least then I would know someone has my back even if it's just me.
 
I am the daughter of a veteran. I am also related to more than half our family who was in Iraq the first time and also in Iraq the second time. As well as Iraq, Vietnam, PNG etc etc etc and a whole lot of other wars. My great uncle was the bugler in Changi who did the honours each time an Australian soldier died. My family has received the highest military honours a soldier can receive in Australia.

I have read 42 of the 44 pieces of state legislation on terrorism in Australia and it makes me very scared indeed. The legislation allows for the detainment of a "non suspect" person for 7 days with a strict liability sentence of 25 years if you complain about "mistreatment," tell a partner, employer, family or friend where you were and what happened to you.

Australia has the most draconian terrorism laws in the world, far outstripping the US and the UK. In the US and the UK your terrorism laws can be struck down as unconstitutional by your courts. Not so in Australia. The reading I have done to date and the legal professionals that I have spoke to confirm that our terrorism laws are not tempered by our constitution in particular Article 75 of our constitution has been jettisoned in that the jurisdiction of the High Court has been cut out of the whole process.

I was horrified at the torture. There is no need for this. Everyone in intelligence communities knows that this produces unreliable information. If we are to maintain a moral high ground then we need to act as if the principles that so many of my family had died for in the last four generations matter. I was interested in the dialogue between the FBI and CIA (in the Australia news) about how indeed the FBI could get the same amount of information out of a person by questioning that the CIA could get out with torture.

I am against the death penalty and I was angry that they killed an unarmed man. If we are democracies and we believe in the rule of law then he should have been arrested and put to trial. Otherwise in my own experience and opinion we are no better than the people we criticise.

My father, as a type of war hero, has been excused all his violent and sexually abusive behaviour because he lived through X amount of wars. This is crap. I don't have to hear it. But it seems everyone wants to point out to me that he suffered a great deal. I also suffered a great deal with him beating the crap out of us every day. Literally beating the crap out of my disabled brother. The sexual abuse, the sticking of forks in my arm, pouring of boiling water - it is no excuse that he was in a war.

I am also very angry at the ways in which veterans and their families are treated but that is for another day.

To be attacked for having different opinions is startling as democracy is not only underpinned by the rule of law but the freedom of speech. I am so glad that all my great, greats and great uncles are not hear to see this, as it would have outraged them.

When I saw the 2010 story of the 4 year old girl water boarded by his father who returned from guantanamo bay I thought I lived that life - that is what my life is. My father continues to intermittently stalk me at the age of 41. I ran away from home when I was 15. Because of his status and security clearance blah blah there is not getting away from him for me.

I have been a political activist in Australia for 26 years now and I have hung up my hat in fear of the consequences when those terrorism laws broaden out. My feeling, is that in Australia, the terrorists have already won as we have given up so many of our freedoms, we get attacked for having a different opinion, we are not to talk about the elephants in the room, being anti war is being anti troups, all debate is shut down because we might upset people, our rule of law is undermined, we can now justify killing unarmed people, we can justify torturing people and all the voiding rights and responsibilities under our Australian Constitution means that it is not worth the paper it is written on.

It is a very scary time to be someone who is interested in human rights, the environment, refugees, constitutional law, freedom of speech, the rule of law, transparency of law, procedural fairness in the law, all of which underpin the Western Adversarial Legal System. My family died protecting this. How dare people violate our democratic principles, as if their sacrifices and deaths mean nothing.

I don't say things in front of other veterans and their families, unless they try to shove it down my throat - then I leave. I have spent 26 years hearing from friends of the family and the extended network of the military and the church what a great man my father was/is. And for them this might be true for them. It is not true for me.

I live in poverty. I live with great stress and angst. My belief is that my family had grown without the last four generations of the men (and some women) going to war then perhaps my life would have been a bit better. True it might not have been. But I am allowed to think and speak of these thoughts from time to time. Apparently (though we don't act like we are a democracy at times) Australia is a still democracy.

These are my feelings and opinions. I respect that no one has to agree or disgree with them. I respect that people will not like what I wrote. I respect that some people will relate to what I am writing.

ms spock
 
No attack coming from me....everybody is entitled to their opinion. I just know that this whole war on terror needs to end and I left alot of good friends in Iraq who died due to the actions of this man and his minions on 9-11 and I am glad he is dead. For that I make no apologies. But I can also understand and respect the opinions of others with regards to the whole situation as well. So no attacking from me at all.
 
I think we all need to remember that as the 20-25 operators who took part in this raid are currently being constantly debriefed with regards to what happened there will be ammendments to what actually occurred. If you take two people and walk them down a city street, each person is going to give a different account as to what they saw happening in one city block.....I am just sayin'....we will not know the exact details until much later...if ever.
 
Oh well, I don't think you'll find anyone disputing the whole idea of how handy it is for the government to emply smoke and mirrors in leading the attention away from social ills. The Bin Laden thing will always be viewed variously because our country is made up of people with hugely varied perspectives. That's kind of a nice thing, if you think about- everyone genuinely having the freedom to say whatever it is they wish.

I believe the accounts of what happened that day were not so much recanted across the board as refuted by Bin Laden's wife. Given the historical and political importance to all those on both sides plus of course the big 'who knows' where the government is concerned we'll probably never know the exact truth of those moments.
 
Ms. Spock said: I am against the death penalty and I was angry that they killed an unarmed man.

Osama's 12 year old daughter saw her Dad get killed in front of her. She loved her father. Does she now not have PTSD? Is she not going to have nightmares and flashbacks from this situation? What about his wives and children? Are they not also victims of war? So many people on both sides of this issue have pain. So many families do not have their loved ones anymore. There is pain on all sides. So many people hurting. Maybe we need to keep in sight that we are a PTSD forum and we need to think of all the victims.
 
We will never know the truth. The only thing we all can go on is speculation. Bin Laden knew too much and he knew they were coming for him. I'm so sick of the death and destruction. My family laughs at my views on the government. They say I should be making run foil hats.

But really...I rather just die peacefully than in a nuclear holocaust. I don't think that is asking for too much.
 
I agree with all of you. Yes Bin Ladens daughter will have PTSD...no doubt about that. But then I have to ask myself why did he have his children with him at all. He knew he was teh most wanted man in the world and that sooner or later we would find him and unfortunately his decision to have his children with him did them no favors at all. But whatever the case I do feel for the girl because she was an innocent bystander in all of this. Hopefully she will get the help she needs. However, having been a veteran of Iraq and seeing how litttle girls are thought of as less than even the animals the families keep i doubt she will get much help at all. That is the sad thing is that she will become a PTSD casualty in this and there are few alternatives for her to get help even within her own community of Muslims. Hopefully there are Muslims somewhere who will volunteer to take her in and will be smart enough to get her the help she will certainly need. Not to mention the help she will need as far as getting deprogrammed from all the hatred that she has had to hear all her life being told to her by her own father.
 
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