How much do you avoid

[anthony]

Exposure therapy can fry your brain unless you have enough resilience built up

Nonsense. Exposure therapy is one of the top therapies for healing PTSD. Don't confuse dose response with the technique, they're very different things. No different than if you over-do EMDR, which is exposure foundation based. All therapy treating trauma will negatively impact symptoms.

 

[whiteraven]

it is isolating and everything you read is that attachments and socializing are a necessity

It isn't isolating for everyone. I do *much* better when I don't have to "do" stuff with other people.

I stopped reading the stuff that says things must be a certain way because it's just not true.

Avoidance is a form of self-care, I kind of agree but a therapist would not likely agree.

Yeah...therapists mostly live in a box. I stopped listening to most of them, too. LOL

 

[1wanderer]

Nonsense. Exposure therapy is one of the top therapies for healing PTSD. Don't confuse dose response with the technique, they're very different things. No different than if you over-‘‘em or so called do EMDR, which is exposure foundation based. All therapy treating trauma will negatively impact symptoms.

Actually exposure therapy is not used when your starting therapy or if your nervous system is out of control

It’s called your window of tolerance
If you exceed your window of tolerance exposure therapy could do damage

It’s not nonsense

Not talking about dose response

All therapy may irritate symptoms initially however we should limit the intensity a patient is exposed


Therapists need wisdom and timing

 

[anthony]

Actually exposure therapy is not used when your starting therapy

Your view seems to differ from the consensus of trauma experts. I will stick with the experts.

 

[1wanderer]

Your view seems to differ from the consensus wow tha

That's arrogant

Calling my opinion nonsense

Are you trying to be abusive or what

Have some respect

 

[anthony]

You are new here, read the rules again carefully, as least tolerance is given to new members.

My view is not arrogant, it is just my view. Trauma experts are the experts - not random opinions people have online. Vast difference. State your opinion, but please do not state your opinion as though fact, because your opinion differs from that of the leading worlds trauma experts, and my advice to anyone reading this, is trust the experts, not a persons opinion online.

Take that how you wish. Don't play games with me about being abusive or having respect, you're on my community, not some public platform. I am not disagreeing with your opinion, you are entitled to it, but don't state it as though it aligns with the worlds leading trauma expert consensus about what is and is not frontline and immediate treatments for PTSD related trauma. The leading one, by consensus, is TF-CBT - EMDR and PE are the following leading treatments, and/or, in combination with TF-CBT. World expert consensus statement within the current Handbook of PTSD: Science and Practice.

It is not arrogant to follow the experts on such subjects. I have always done so from when I created this community. Arrogance is a new member coming here making statements as though fact, then trying to argue them against the leading world experts as though you know better than they do. I consider that arrogant.

 

[anthony]

From memory, I think DBT was actually in the top group as well.

 

[1wanderer]

From memory, I think DBT was actually in the top group as well.

So you push EMDR, I have done it

As usual everyone is different

So you're saying EMDR and TF-CBT are the gospel and leading therapies

I maybe new but assuming you know more than me is kind of shocking

I can make a strong case for mindfulness based therapy

CBT takes way to long, combing CBT with mindfulness brought about ACT and DBT

It's a blend of east and west

I think we heal in increments with many different actions.

What is lost in therapy are a few things

Aerobic exercise can drain the body of adrenaline and cortisol, it also shares the accomplishment with our frozen brains

Meditation would be my most valuable tool

I can elaborate extensively in that subject

Many many benefits

Next is we need to take action, do something, develop tools

You are new here, read the rules again carefully, as least tolerance is given to new members.

My view is not arrogant, it is just my view. Trauma experts are the experts - not random opinions people have online. Vast difference. State your opinion, but please do not state your opinion as though fact, because your opinion differs from that of the leading worlds trauma experts, and my advice to anyone reading this, is trust the experts, not a persons opinion online.

Take that how you wish. Don't play games with me about being abusive or having respect, you're on my community, not some public platform. I am not disagreeing with your opinion, you are entitled to it, but don't state it as though it aligns with the worlds leading trauma expert consensus about what is and is not frontline and immediate treatments for PTSD related trauma. The leading one, by consensus, is TF-CBT - EMDR and PE are the following leading treatments, and/or, in combination with TF-CBT. World expert consensus statement within the current Handbook of PTSD: Science and Practice.

It is not arrogant to follow the experts on such subjects. I have always done so from when I created this community. Arrogance is a new member coming here making statements as though fact, then trying to argue them against the leading world experts as though you know better than they do. I consider that arrogant.

I thought you would kick my butt off after the last response

Good for you

Just because I am new does not mean I am ignorant I am well read and have work exhaustively trying to heal for 12 years

I am glad we can go back and forth

I have no disrespect in my answers

 

[Sideways]

Mod Note:

I thought you would kick my butt off after the last response

You’re treading very close.

12 years of personal experience and learning about PTSD and appropriate treatments makes you relatively ordinary here. Embrace that ordinariness.

You are new here, read the rules again carefully, as least tolerance is given to new members.

This is solid advice. Take it seriously. In particular:

I maybe new but assuming you know more than me is kind of shocking

Lose the attitude. There were no assumptions being made, just a disagreement with your opinion. You’ll get disagreement here guaranteed. Argue the opinion, not the person.

And as always, take what’s helpful, leave the rest.

 

[1wanderer]

Mod Note:

You’re treading very close.

12 years of personal experience and learning about PTSD and appropriate treatments makes you relatively ordinary here. Embrace that ordinariness.

This is solid advice. Take it seriously. In particular:


Lose the attitude. There were no assumptions being made, just a disagreement with your opinion. You’ll get disagreement here guaranteed. Argue the opinion, not the person.

And as always, take what’s helpful, leave the rest.

I have personal experience with a therapist using exposure therapy when I was not ready. I ended up agoraphobic.

So you saying exposure therapy in nit a high risk therapy for many suffers I do not agree with

Look the V.A. uses CBT and prolonged exposure therapy.

Are you aware of the suicide rate

That's real world

 

[anthony]

So you push EMDR, I have done it

As usual everyone is different

So you're saying EMDR and TF-CBT are the gospel and leading therapies

You need to go back and read what I wrote. What you are interpreting vs what I actually said, very different things. It does say to me, that you can't interpret correctly what is being said. I said, and quote:

The leading one, by consensus, is TF-CBT - EMDR and PE are the following leading treatments, and/or, in combination with TF-CBT. World expert consensus statement within the current Handbook of PTSD: Science and Practice.

Where did I push EMDR? Where did I say TF-CBT is gospel? The leading experts in the world on trauma and related PTSD comorbidities, have concluded based on all evidence available to them that those leading therapies are the most efficacious for treatment of PTSD and its associated trauma. At no stage do those experts mention that complementary modalities are not helpful, in fact they state a combination of therapy types is often the way people heal. Oh, and add DBT which I forgot.

I said exactly what I quoted. Nothing more, nothing less. Stop assuming. Whatever is up with you right now, your ability to process what is clearly written in front of you, extremely skewed.

Most of what you last wrote, I agree with. But at no stage does that mean you should make a statement as you did that PE will fry your brain. Again, what total nonsense. A type of therapy is just a type of therapy. Most of them are CBT based. Implementation is where a therapy becomes good or not, combined with the ability for the patient to accept or reject the modality. Simply put, therapeutic relationship combined with therapist ability.

I remember when EMDR was first mainstream, and it was an epic failure with some disastrous results. Still to this day, no quality study has confirmed eye movement as any positive to the technique, or other stimuli tested in such studies. EMDR is pretty much just exposure therapy done differently.

I thought you would kick my butt off after the last response

Good for you

Here is your problem. You're coming here to, I assume, help yourself, yet you are in essence just wanting to argue, knowing what you're doing will get you kicked from the very site you chose to join. Why join if you want to be disruptive? Stop trying to be an expert, because I can already tell you're far from it. I know I'm no expert, and I've been at this longer than you.

Just because I am new does not mean I am ignorant I am well read and have work exhaustively trying to heal for 12 years

This is amazing, but 12 years does not make you anything special here. I have been at it near 20 years myself, and there are those here who have been at it 30 - 40 years now. Time means little. Some people can solve their trauma in less than a year, some take a lifetime. Some can read well, some can't, for various reasons.

 

[anthony]

Look the V.A. uses CBT and prolonged exposure therapy.

Are you aware of the suicide rate

The suicide rate of veterans has nothing to do with the modalities used, it has to do with far larger, reaching and complex issues to do with what veterans do in combat and see in combat, combined with integration back within society and availability per country of help after the fact.

You're just making stuff up and are honestly, very misinformed about the subjects you continue to discuss.