I Wanna Smash Facebook Inventors In The Face!

[becvan]

I Who in their right mind would twitter everything they do? If you're so interested in what I'm doing waddle your lazy a** to the phone and call me.

AWESOME, just AWESOME. LOL I totally agree.

As for facebook, both my son and I deleted it. It's nothing but a roaring pain in the ass, nevermind all the damn viruses now infecting everyone no matter how careful you are. Neither of us miss it.

bec

 

[caliaviator]

I apologize if I did offend you, Murphy. I've accepted long ago that I'm bound to offend someone, but I can at least try to correct the situation when it comes up if there is a good reason for it. :) But I'll choose my words more carefully next time.

AWESOME, just AWESOME. LOL I totally agree.
As for facebook, both my son and I deleted it. It's nothing but a roaring pain in the ass.

Well if anything it's going to make my job easier. Social networking retards interpersonal skills, and when my competition submits their resume along with mine, they're going to be pretty confused on how to handle a situation in person. On top of that, nobody is going to take someone who can't spell even the simplest of words. Bad spelling; it's just screams out "unprofessional".

 

[Reclusive]

I started online when I was 13, but back then there were local BBSes - does anyone remember them? So not only was I meeting all these cool people online, but they were all in my city, too. There was an even mix of teens and adults, and we even hung out on Thursdays, I think, and met all of each other in person. I remember walking down to Starbucks to meet some guy I met on a BBS. How naive and lucky I was!

My fiance's nieces are 12 and 9, I think, and I don't know if they have a FB. Their dad does, but he's never on. I keep wondering if I should have the internet safety conversation with them - I've given it to a lot of parents over the years. I'd search for and friend them myself, but I'm not really appropriate for the under 18 crowd. Maybe I will search them out - that will at least tell me if they have a public page or a private page - small things like that make a huge difference.

Oh, and that waddling to the phone thing - I don't use the phone, it's part of my PTSD. So I keep in touch with all my friends through facebook - I like to hear how their day is going and I have people I trust that I can ask for 'sanity checks' and the like.

 

[Reclusive]

That was good for a laugh. Use it or not, I definitely feel parents should be all over what their kids do on the internet... but at some point when they're a teen, you gotta kinda loosen the leash. I like it, though, so don't smash in whoever's face that owns FB now.

 

[MurphyJB]

I apologize if I did offend you, Murphy. I've accepted long ago that I'm bound to offend someone, but I can at least try to correct the situation when it comes up if there is a good reason for it. :) But I'll choose my words more carefully next time.

Thanks for your apology. I wasn't really offended, but I appreciate what you said. :)

I was actually watching about this new thing they're calling "Facebook depression." Mostly affecting teens...these kids spend so much time on the Internet that they have no idea how to interact with people face to face.

 

[njray]

Great points and thoughts.

I have a question....A VERY Serious One.. Has anyone read the entire legal document/disclaimer that is signed when joining Facebook? How about this forum?........ for me it would take forever and to be honest during so I would become so frustrated because of my inability to process it I would sign it out of duress just to get on this kewl phenomena that offers stimulation to me that I need just to cope with everyday experiences (Hmmm do you know we have laws that protect kids and those with disabilities from being discriminated through manipulation and/or coercion because of there age or disability) ........How about kids? Do they really know what they are signing.?

Do you as a parent really know what all the information they collect on Facebook is used for........ Psychological profiling aka marketing...... The information collected from Facebook and the companies that use the forums to collect data have there own disclaimers that basically say guess what we (and there subsideraries) are going to use your information for our companies marketing teams to suck every dime you have..... Look at the companies and there subsidiaries that collect this information and use it to market there products to you and your kids. Guess what ? Do you know how impressionable 13 14 15 yr olds are and do you know how they(Corporate america) can create marketing pieces to manipulate and target kids into buying things or believe things that they view in marketing pieces to be something they may not be. FTR the cable/fiber optic companies are doing this as they collect data on what u watch and when so does google and yahoo and etc. Oh and do not think the persons of political power are not ilning up to collect valuable data for there marketing campaigns.

Please the speed to which a bit of information that could be forever detrimental to you and your kids can be posted and relayed to millions within milliseconds and there is no wiggle room for human error and the most likely persons that would post such information would be a 13 14 15 year olds because most NOT ALL (o do not worry your kids are still perfect) do not really know what consequences they may be imposing on themselves or others just by a click of a mouse......

Sorry to many negatives for kids to be on Facebook....... I do not really think there is enough really needed possitive socializations to warrant it. Call my house, speak to me first then if I know you and your parents I will give the phone to my kids,,,,,,,,

The way laws are if you are over 18 U are on your own.......... (that is a topic for another day)

 

[catjudo]

basically say guess what we (and there subsideraries) are going to use your information for our companies marketing teams to suck every dime you have..... Look at the companies and there subsidiaries that collect this information and use it to market there products to you and your kids. Guess what ? Do you know how impressionable 13 14 15 yr olds are and do you know how they(Corporate america) can create marketing pieces to manipulate and target kids into buying things or believe things that they view in marketing pieces to be something they may not be. FTR the cable/fiber optic companies are doing this as they collect data on what u watch and when so does google and yahoo and etc

Exactly...it's not just FB. Kids (really not just kids, it's everyone) are bombarded with marketing everywhere they turn. I choose to make it a learning experience. My child comes to me wanting just about everything she sees a commercial for. It's downright comical some of the ridiculous stuff she insists we need to buy just because she saw a convincing commercial for the item. But we discuss how advertisers say things just to make her want their item because they want to make money. We discuss the difference between needs and wants. We discuss the necessity for making sure we have enough money for all of our needs and only purchasing wants in moderation. But these are all things that she needs to learn if I want her to make wise choices as she gets older.

The way laws are if you are over 18 U are on your own.......... (that is a topic for another day)

Yes, legally our children are on their own when they are over 18. That's why I feel the need to teach her and guide her as much as I can before she gets there. I want her to have an opportunity to learn while I am able to guide her. And she absolutely will make mistakes because she is not perfect...but with me standing by her teaching, guiding and supporting her I can catch her mistakes quickly and make yet another teachable moment out of it. Better for some minor stumbles now when I can intervene, support and protect her than making dangerous mistakes when she is 18, all alone away from home for the first time and I can't protect her.

This is what works for me and my family. MAYBE it's not for everyone. But I don't think blaming FB or smashing the inventors in the face will really solve the problem either. As you have said, this problem permeates our society far beyond the confines of FB.

 

[njray]

No...... smashing the Facebook inventors will not solve anything PHYSICAL VIOLENCE IS BAD!!!!

catjudo.. Many great points in your post MANY... I suspect you are a responsible adult..... That said I wonder how many persons for one reason or another might not be in tune with their children as you are. Or there children may make that one mistake that may cost them dearly for a long time to come. I guess what concerns me the most is that there is little doubt we acknowledge that facebook might have some use in our society but for quite a large segment of our youth great harm can come because of it. I suggest looking at facebook profiles of kids in your town
that are of kids 13 14 15 years of age openly and with non bias. Now a percentage will be humble non threatening and very OK. But if you really look with open eyes i suspect not just one but many profiles and there accompaniying material(Pics videos) that can be shared with your daughter/son may be inapropriate at many levels.

I am not suggesting blinders by any stretch but the fact that again one stroke not only by your child but that of another that may post something negative about your kids that can be viewed by hundreds/thousands/millions in seconds is kinda scarey...... There is a viral rape scene being transmitted via the internet that started with a post on facebook that involved a minor. That family is ruined and forever scared because of the posting and we will not know for 10 20 30 40 50 years the impact that may have on the child raped the "minors" that did the alleged raping and children that viewed the post....... Now again as dribs and drabs come out it looks like this rave party was "marketed" through facebook and other socialization sites..... I have to wonder if the rape would have occurred if the party never came together because of the mass marketing..... again yes communication and education that rave parties might be bad would help absolutely. But again is there any copability on facebooks part? I wonder what would happen to facebook if they were sued and lost billions and had to monitor all communications like this site does?

I wonder how many persons would freak out if a banner started streaming at the bottom of every facebook page >This site may be monitored by responsible people if you promote, distribute or post anything illegal you will be prosecuted and your name will be posted for all to see< I have to wonder how many children and adults would freak out?

 

[KP the nut]

Again it is down to parents to be responsible for their children. Being absent, not understanding etc is no excuse.

When my children were younger, they used MSN. I would regularly check with whom they were chatting and what was being said. To have access to computers, mobile phones, iPads etc is a privilege not a right. If children abuse that privilege then parents should withdraw permissions.

Responsible parenting, talking calmly about the dangers (and I am also guilty of being suckered in, so it is not just children). IMHO, FB is not the problem, it is the people of all ages who abuse the system. My FB privacy settings do not allow just anyone to view my information.

Banning these sites is not the answer, neither is resorting to violence. Children grow and as they grow, boundaries need to change in order for them to develop and learn life skills.

As for trawling through and looking at strangers information seems to me a bit perverted. My children call it 'internet stalking'.

 

[goingonhope]

Until reading this thread, I'd knew entirely too little about FB. Had heard it existed; Also, Had been asked by a lawyer once if I had a FB or MS account and when I said No, ...and why do you ask such a question? He responded, Because I don't provide legal services to those with such accounts.

I'm finding reading here most informative; Even reassurring me that I am making some right decisions in my parenting, even while under continuing pressures and manipulative marketing attempts endured, and from both adults and children alike;

I'm thinking and feeling a bit too much and deeply upon this subject, (especially after learning of what's written in njray's last post, and that reality), and it's best that I comment little and read much more.

Mindfully stopping myself right now. ....Ouch, doing so hurts.:confused:

 

[Linda Lee Bogard - King]

It is the parents who control the computer at home - yet these kids can use the library - school computers - their ipod - blackberry - etc., to get online without parents knowing. My own granddaughter and I have been fighting over her photo on fb in a frigging teddy! She was 17 now 18 and she does not have a clue what she is flaunting! She thinks she's being cool and hip. After I said to her: Some freak out there is probably masturbating to that photo! She freaked out that I said masturbating - I told her men think like that but only sick men will masturbate to a kid's photo and there were many sick people out there in this area. Well, a few days later.... she changed her photo. She tried to block me from seeing her stuff, but I have my ways too... lol... these kids have no business online in the adult arena.

 

[KP the nut]

It is the parents who control the computer at home - yet these kids can use the library - school computers - their ipod - blackberry - etc., to get online without parents knowing. My own granddaughter and I have been fighting over her photo on fb in a frigging teddy! After I said to her: Some freak out there is probably masturbating to that photo! She freaked out that I said masturbating - I told her men think like that but only sick men will masturbate to a kid's photo and there were many sick people out there in this area. Well, a few days later.... she changed her photo. .

Totally 100% agree. It is about monitoring what our children/grandchildren are doing. Talking to them and explaining the consequences.

Your grand-daughter sounds like a smart young lady, she made the choice after you had spoken to her and she made the correct choice. You should be proud.