I Want To Speak With Somebody About An Important Issue

[sea]

i am saing that therpy work only with the psychological type of trauma not and with the physical dominant type. but the pycological type is not PTSD . it is just trauma .

Yes, people who don't have PTSD will generally not have PTSD. That is usually how a diagnosis works. If you are experiencing after-effects of trauma long after the traumatic incident has occurred, you have PTSD. That is defined in the DSM. The basis from which you are speaking is theoretical. It is not proven. That might be the reason why in your search for a treatment of so-called biologically based PTSD, you haven't actually found a result that works. If you are in no way focusing on the trauma that caused your PTSD, you are not going to get anywhere.

By treating the physiological symptoms, all you are doing is putting a bandaid on the problem. You aren't fixing the problem, you're fixing the symptoms. The emotional and psychological repercussions will still exist, and those are problems that exist regardless of any physical issue. Those issues are caused by PTSD. The continual focus on your trauma is a symptom of PTSD, it is defined in the DSM as intrusive thoughts. That means nightmares, hallucinations, flashbacks, rumination, speculation, obsession, immersion, avoidance, etc.

PTSD is not solely physiological. It is a component syndrome, and the basic component there is trauma, not the response to trauma. I'm not sure where you get the idea that there is such a thing as a "physical dominant" PTSD. But like I said before. If you are treating your PTSD in the best way you know how, in the best way that works for you, then that is perfectly valid and well. But, it doesn't invalidate other things that work for other people.

just can you prove me that you dont have bipolar ? or Borderline personality disorder ?

...I'm sorry, but in what way does having Borderline Personality Disorder invalidate my PTSD diagnosis? I'm not sure where exactly the logical train of thought for this is coming from. Because I find trauma therapy useful, I don't have PTSD? What? Most of your time on this site seems to be spent trying to convince everybody they don't have the disorder they actually have, because the treatment for that disorder is actually effective for them. I think this might stem from your apparent lack of success with psychological treatment, but that doesn't mean people who have had success are suddenly non-PTSD.

 

[ikop]

sea
look
i am not a bad person that want to convince people don't have the disorder they actually have like you said.
actually my wish is that everyone will be satisfied in thier life.
what i am doing is attempting to make some real dialog , and to say the things i see, whiout covering .
i am doing a lot of reading here on the forum , and i am not replaing a lot .
but i saw a pattern most of the people here have complex post traimatic stress from childhood
and many of the things that are common here in the forum talking here are unknown to me .
so i went to net and searched and i found that many of the same things are coomon in bpd and borderline personality . including the startlre response .
so i though were is the line between childood cptcd and this disoorder ? so logicaly post trauma goes hand in hand with them or many people are misdiagnoed with cptsd when they realy do have birderline or bpd .

 

[sea]

IMO, I don't think you are necessarily wrong with the Borderline Personality Disorder link to trauma. I do agree that most people who have CPTSD probably fit the criteria for Borderline Personality Disorder (And also, IMO, the idea that CPTSD is not in the DSM is a serious oversight on the psychiatric community at large, because I think it accomplishes the same thing as a dual BPD/PTSD diagnosis would, and that is the diagnosis I hold) - however, that doesn't mean that they don't have PTSD. I have both Borderline Personality Disorder and PTSD, and one does not cancel out the other. I have both early childhood trauma and trauma from adulthood. My PTSD symptoms didn't start until after my adult trauma started, but I have had BPD for my entire life, as it is related to attachment in infants. If you look at the symptoms for BPD and PTSD, however, they are not overlapping. They only overlap in areas concerning lack of self regulation, suicidal thoughts, dissociation and emotional regulation. Those are not the sole symptoms of BPD, and therefore is not a sufficient diagnosis for someone who is actually traumatized.

 

[SimplyComplex]

ikop - did you know a really common trait of Borderline Personality disorder (known as BPD, bipolar is just BP) is accusing others of having BPD...food for thought for you.

I am not super wrapped up in labels at this point. I have been diagnosed with PTSD (not c-PTSD as far as I know but I have complex trauma) and have symptoms of PTSD. I have seen 3 ts and never have been diagnosed with BPD, even though there are times when I was suffering greatly from abuse, that I might have qualified for the diagnosis, if even just slightly. My T (phd, worked with me for 15 months and has alot of experiences) has flat out ruled out BPD, and has told me that. I do not believe I qualify for the dx at this time either, but can see the overlap. I am getting healthier with treatment and plan on making even bigger strides. I dont really care if you tell me I have purple martian from the moon syndrome, as long as I am getting healthier.

But many researchers think that people are misdiagnosed with BPD when in reality they have complex trauma, treat the trauma and the BPD traits soon dissipate. So you might just have the wrong shoe on the wrong foot. Have you read Hermann?

Also, trauma is an injury, and causes a variety of problems. It is quite reasonable that someone has PTSD symptoms as well as a borderline injury, or manic episodes. These are not totally separate issues.

I have read a few of your posts, and I have to say, you are the one who seems overly interested in other people's dx. Perhaps its time for you to just look at your own and your own healing.

Best of luck

 

[ikop]

thanks simply complex

 

[BloomInWinter]

ikop,

I wish you peace.

I hope you find what you need.

I do not care for your tone, nor your brand of 'research' which seems to be focusing your posts on invalidating others feelings, beliefs, diagnoses.

Nobody here needs to be asked to 'prove' anything to you. I question why you would want to be on a forum centered on PTSD when you seem to not believe that it exists. Perhaps you could start your own for others who share your views.

I will spend no more of my time reading any of your posts.

 

[ikop]

bloominwinter
i am sorry if one of my post offended you , your feeling or your belief.

i am just trying to solve a puzzle and i dont think that my views are so contradicted to the forum or somthing like that .

I said that the may be two types of trauma one is mostly psycological , it can be disturbing as well , the second one can be mostly cosed by biological changes ,
to day i think psychologis and psychatrist cannot differentiate bettwen the two .
but the difference is huge the biological one most og the time is not responsive to psychological help .

dont be so upset .
my porpose is to make the people to know the they may be not getting the best care because the doctorst are lazy , and coward and prefering to work with old models of ptsd that are not correct .

if a person is satisfied with the cbt -ssri model of today ok .
if he is not . he may think there is nothing to do . but it is not true .
i want to help myslef and others who cannot be helped much by today tools , and i want them first to know that the tools are not good , and secondly that we need to make preasure that the reaserchers will have to find new solutions. and to mumble with the same things again and again .

Ikop.

 

[SimplyComplex]

and i want them first to know that the tools are not good ,

Why would you want people to know that the "tools are not good"? In fact, there are many helpful treatments for PTSD and many other mental health issues. Would you like your posts to discourage people from finding help instead? Because it seems like that is your goal. Confusing, ikop. I think its time to take a step back and work on your own issues.

 

[ikop]

the tools are not realy good .... it's abvioous.... compering cbt for ptsd to social anxiety ..... compering ssri for depression and for ptsd , even the antipsychotics to schizofrenia and to ptsd ,and the benzodiazapines to panic disorder and to ptsd .
the tools like cbt can give only cooping strategy to minorety of people with minor to moderate traumas reactions (not traumas ! but reactions ) . most of the people with severe physiological reactions after trauma are not responsive not to thereapies and not to the firt line treatment -the ssrri's

i know that not only from my own experience but from reading the israeli trauma forum that is mostly combat trauma, people there are 10 , 15, 20, 35, years after the war with the same issues living like mouses ,afraid from the world ,the majorety are unemployed , many are heavy drikners , didn't acquired knowledge after the war , living from disability , all of them got through israeli complex army programs like cbt , proloned exposure , weekly psycologists meeting , medical drugs , israel has very good services in a metter of army ptsd sufferers...
i can tell from seeing the forum the real situatiun .
this people got ptsd . i can say for sure they have ptsd and dont misdiagnosed, they live a life of hell ,exectly like the vietnam veterans . there is not real good help for PTSD up tp date , i think it is a fact and not my opinion.

 

[SimplyComplex]

I am sorry that you can't find help for your specific mental health disorders. I am glad to say that the help I have been receiving for the results of my traumas has been very helpful. I hope other people with traumas will ignore such advice and continue to reach out, ask for help and then take it.

 

[sea]

this people got ptsd . i can say for sure they have ptsd and dont misdiagnosed, they live a life of hell ,exectly like the vietnam veterans . there is not real good help for PTSD up tp date , i think it is a fact and not my opinion.

Let me break this down for you. The reason why people here are reacting the way they are is because when you make a statement like that, you are basically implying that the people here are misdiagnosed, don't live a life of hell, don't get any help, don't live like mice, absolutely love social contact, don't have any adrenalized response, aren't disabled, aren't dealing with severe trauma issues, etc.

And when you say this and then add something like "oh, only psychologically based PTSD" - in a manner that suggests that this is somehow less significant (or even a separate issue, which it isn't) than whatever you are trying to purport (a disorder that doesn't actually exist in the DSM), people start to get a little sketchy. They start to get a little upset. This is PTSDForum. We have PTSD. We know what PTSD is.

The reason why this is an implication is because by saying "I can say for sure they have PTSD" in an open format like this, you are using that as an example to state that the people here clearly do not have PTSD in comparison. When you say these people, ("These people got PTSD") you are automatically turning your statement into a comparison. That is invalidating. It is condescending. And it is incorrect. It is really as simple as that. I don't think you are going to get anywhere with this, but that is just my opinion.

I do not think you are entirely wrong, because yes, PTSD does have a physical component, but you are not achieving any results by basically alienating the people you are trying to "start a dialogue" with.

 

[ikop]

maybe you are right. ok. i am to conclusive .
indeed i dont know the people here.
the main purpose of the forum is support, (and i use it to for support) but not only support .

i have some idias , about ptsd , i believe some of them are close to the true . it's what i believe .
i think this understiding has a direct impact on the future of the suferers
there are 2 directions :
one is represented by this pathway
[DLMURL]http://www.neurosigma.com/dbs.html[/DLMURL]

"recently, functional neuroimaging studies have suggested that amygdala hyperactivity is responsible for symptoms of PTSD. NeuroSigma and its partners have been able to target and stimulate a therapeutic area of the brain using Deep Brain Stimulation. Human clinical trials are in the planning stages and are expected to commence in 2011. "

the other one by this :

http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/...-treatment-for-post-traumatic-stress-disorder

EFT for ptsd!

now you need to choose.

I dont want to go to psychologost fot the re s of my life ,

i "dont want to don't live a life of hell, don't get any help, don't live like mice, absolutely love social contact, don't have any adrenalized response, aren't disabled, aren't dealing with severe trauma issues"

i know that this thing can be smashed physiologicly if right way is founded!
try to take cauple of benzo's just to try you will not have anxiety . most of the chanses you won't have flashbacks , and your startle will be normalized.
even worse (dont really do it ) try to sneef a heroin - for 3 hours you will be free of ptsd .
it is all chimical and biological disorder
if they will put your right amygdala out you will not fell fear , those you will not have nighemers not ptsd anxiety .your startlre will be mostly unexsisted , you will catch snakes and put it in your mouth , you will approach armed gang guys withoout fear - it is an extreme .
we dont need it , but if we just could cool a bit those minds , your symptoms will mostly gone .
withot talking about trauma without pychoogist , without coping , without T , just deactivating the hypearoused amygdala and you will be ok . the trauma will be memories.