Poll I Was Wondering How Many People Have A Diagnosis Of Desnos

[therapybankrupt]

I guess if you have had a complex PTSD diagnosis in the past you have DESNOS so yes for that purpose we will consider them the same thing. I am not a Doctor so this is just an assumption after reading the original link in my first post. Thanks and keep posting. I love to hear your opinions and ideas.

 

[DharmaGirl]

Judith Herman suggested the use of "complex PTSD" in her book. It is used a lot here in America too. My therapist does not do EMDR. He does use hypnosis, but not for me. I thought DESNOS was an old diagnosis and the new one is Posttraumatic Stress Disorder – With Prominent Dissociative (Depersonalization/Derealization) Symptoms

 

[Abstract]

I can't even think my experiences warrant PTSD so obviously even less so DESNOS and yet I relate to the symptoms. Mine is probably a general exposure to unhelpful family environment plus the lack of things that should be along with multiple if mild traumas. I would meet the new Posttraumatic Stress Disorder – With Prominent Dissociative (Depersonalization/Derealization) Symptoms subtype without any doubt. It seems to me that they have still left out personality and other factors in it though.

I think the slightly different terms refer to similar conditions but with some differences. It depends on the vision of the persons defining it.

With DESNOS and the article I found it interesting that they mention it can exist without someone meeting PTSD criteria. I liked the emphasis on age and its effect on development. I found the detailed comparison between BPD and DESNOS very interesting. It is the problems with attention and consciousness, not having access to everything that happens to me reliably, that causes me the most trouble. That and the extreme avoidance I seem to exhibit. It feels insurmountable. And the interpersonal stuff of course. And all the other factors. :rolleyes:

 

[therapybankrupt]

I am trying to find a correct diagnosis so yes you are right @monster1977 DESNOS was made a diagnosis before the newer diagnosis of PTSD- With Prominent Dissociative Symptoms. @Abstract states it is a "subtype" and I will now research to try to find out if it is another diagnosis or is it the same and being called something different. I will compare the symptoms. I am thinking we are comparing apples and oranges. Dangerous That is the thinking not the apples and oranges lol.

I mean is it possible each diagnosis has its own unique symptoms? Could it be they added another condensed symptom that also is very notable among people suffering from PTSD with one specific trauma? I was thinking that people who do suffer trauma from combat or a natural disaster could also disassociated without all the other symptoms of DESNOS. There for the need for another type of diagnosis for those masses.

I found the detailed comparison between BPD and DESNOS very interesting

I wonder how many people were diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder before reaching their diagnosis of PTSD? I know that was my first diagnosis. It has been scratched since but the symptoms overlap with the DESNOS. Which are the same symptoms people with "Complex PTSD" describe. Hmmmmm.....

 

[Abstract]

I do think DESNOS, complex trauma, CPTSD and PTSD dissociative subtype are all probably slightly different with the last being the most different potentially. Yes, therapybankrupt, I suspect someone could have PTSD dissociative subtype with a single trauma in adulthood although I doubt it somehow (what do I know though!) and that it could apply to many of those with significant dissociative symptoms. Generally though I think the first three are very similar in what is meant. The problem with diagnoses is that they are merely concepts.

h Borderline Personality Disorder before reaching their diagnosis of PTSD?

Oh I suspect very many! And many more are at risk of having it diagnosed alongside PTSD when it is more a case of CPTSD. I thought the way the article differentiated it made it very clear.

[DLMURL]https://www.myptsd.com/c/articles/posttraumatic-stress-disorder.7/[/DLMURL]

 

[therapybankrupt]

http://www.ptsd.va.gov/professional/pages/diagnostic_criteria_dsm-5.asp
Here is the information on the changes on the PTSD criteria. I still see these as separate diagnosis?

 

[Abstract]

The way I understand it Therapy is that it is nod in the direction of CPTSD and that it can be used to more effectively address CPTSD than in the past. Some also see it as a step in the direction of the DSM covering CPTSD more fully.

As far as I know there is a chance that ICD will officially include CPTSD in the new publication so we shall see.

 

[anthony]

DESNOS did not make it, and thus IS NOT an official diagnosable mental health disorder within the DSM V.

The new PTSD diagnosis adequately now covers complex trauma symptoms of dissociation and derealisation within its new subtype, thus removing all the CPTSD issues. The next ICD "may" still include CPTSD or they "may" adopt the same direction as the DSM V by adding a subtype.

 

[therapybankrupt]

Thanks @anthony! I first saw the term here on the forum. A member said they were diagnosed with DESNOS. Hence my search for some answers. As of 2112 there are web posts from the APA using this word. Many professionals still use the phrase in there case studies posted on line the last 5 years. I wonder why they dropped it? So much good research went into it.

What is the subtype name for symptoms of DESNOS? I would like to get it right. So many different words apply. Yet they are not DSM V compatible. Does every country follow the DSM V?

 

[Abstract]

Therapy, Europe mostly follows ICD. Presently ICD 10 but soon ICD 11. Here is some information: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3656217/ Uk presently already officially uses the term CPTSD although it is presently not diagnostic as such.

For the DSM correct subtype terms look at the link for diagnoses near the bottom. It is as @monster1977 said. [DLMURL="https://www.myptsd.com/c/articles/posttraumatic-stress-disorder.7/"]https://www.myptsd.com/c/articles/posttraumatic-stress-disorder.7/

Posttraumatic Stress Disorder – With Prominent Dissociative (Depersonalization/Derealization)

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Personally I think what is missing in the DSM subtype for some is the extent of the personality and attachment issues connected to complex trauma. In my opinion the inclusion of some personality stuff and dissociation is a huge improvement for those of us with this stuff.

 

[anthony]

Personally I think what is missing in the DSM subtype for some is the extent of the personality and attachment issues connected to complex trauma.

Personality disorders, any aspect off, are not considered on the same level as PTSD and most disorders, hence why such great debate about CPTSD which tries to use Axis II aspects mixed with Axis I disorders. Those two categories are a huge difference, and should not be mixed together so readily. Personality should not be confused with behaviour. If the problem is personality, that is a severe issue far beyond trauma, as that is the core root of who you are, hence why it should not be mixed with trauma diagnoses and should be kept uniquely as comorbid.

 

[Lucycat]

Personality should not be confused with behaviour. If the problem is personality, that is a severe issue far beyond trauma, as that is the core root of who you are, hence why it should not be mixed with trauma diagnoses and should be kept uniquely as comorbid.

My understanding is that if the trauma is at an early age, severe and enduring and in a vulnerable ( as opposed to a resilient) individual then that trauma affects the developing personality. This is why it is suggested that there is an overlap between personality disorders and trauma-related diagnoses. It is not the child's behaviour that is the consequence, but the personality that is developed according to the experience, and this personality of course, becomes the adult, mal-adjusted personality.