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Language Matters: I Do Not Have The Needed Vocabulary

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candor

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When my guy gets agitated, I am usually good at calming him and then exiting. We don't live together. Neither of us are military. We meet in public places usually. I want advise on how to tackle a particular behaviour that only comes up when he feels over stressed. He will get very dominant "Buy me coffee". "Call me at 7 tonite". Then he won't pick up the phone or drink the coffee. He will often say he will do something and then doesn't. He'll say we did not have an agreement. I will often not bring it up to avoid conflict. I am not like this with others. I do not feel like a doormat (yet). I see his requests as his need to be reassured that he is not being taken advantage of or disrespected.

I'll say things like I need you to talk to me in a respectful tone. I do not bring up the past. No "you said I said" stuff. I use "I want" or "I need" or "we need/want".

There is a very Jekyll and Hyde effect to his way of treating me. He is starting to apologise which is a step forward. I shrug it off and tell him not to worry when he is sorry. I am good at anticipating his reactions. I care about how he feels and don't want to add to his suffering.

I feel that I am not given a chance to air my needs. He says that he does not read "ALL" my emails. I have learned to keep them short and infrequent. He will say "Shut up. Don't say another word". Or if he is getting himself together he will say "I need two minutes". I stop and listen. When he is in fight mode, I don't engage. When he is in dominant alpha male mode, I just surrender and do as he ask as its been harmless so far. This is mainly cause I do not have the needed vocabulary and fear that he will spiral into isolation. The pattern is as soon as we have a great time, he announces that he can't handle this relationship and wants to give up. We made some amazing progress so I anticipated this fallback and am still pretty relaxed.

He is in a panic because I have managed to tell him that I want a physical relationship which means foreplay before going for coffee. I am not suggesting anything we have not already done and we both agree to go slow. I keep text and phone calls at a minimal as does he. Jekyll seemed ecstatic over the sex news but Hyde is getting between us again. I don't mean disrespect by describing it this way. Jekyll is a gentleman and he does not always seem to remember what Hyde says. The main conflict is that he does not want to give up his isolation so the issue that has not yet been agreed about is "how often and where?" . We live an hour away and I prefer my place and he will want his place (Every visit to his place results in getting kicked out. I think that there is a real threshold of time and then Hyde just pops up. That's when I need to leave.)

So how do I set boundaries and not loose the trust I am trying to build? I need specific language/words I can use. Note that he is not rational when in this state and very disoriented. I feel competent to deal with this relationship and am in no way heartbroken. I choose this relationship to be more about him and I choose to stay detached. I see a therapist that specialises in PTSD.
 
I choose this relationship to be more about him

You did? Not sure how you mean that but that doesn't seem like a healthy choice. Sorry not meaning harshness or anything, just was struck by the starkness of that statement. Apologies if I'm misreading.
 
@Jemini: No reason to be gentle :) I need bluntness. LOL ok I see how I might come across a bit like a masochist or unhealthy. I assure you I am not either. Perhaps a bit over-confident if anything. What I meant by that line is that I have loads of resources now and I will drop him if my health were to be endangered. We had a 2 month break. If anything, my association with him has made me much happier. I am really good at getting what I need without relying on anyone in particular and I accept that what I want may not be within my reach. If he were to give up, I would be ok. What I am asking of him is to give up his isolation long enough to get close. He is quite limited in terms of what he can offer me and I am in no way dependent on him. I have no desire to make him dependent in any way. If I ever start crying, I am out. What I ask of him, might not even be fair but he is a fighter and I believe he will get through this.
 
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Ok, not being gentle. So you don't need him and are sure he doesn't need you. What's the problem? Thread title doesn't help much.

All healthy relationships are interdependent. It's confusing what you are trying to resolve and what you are saying about this relationship. Why post about it at all? I'm not trying to be a wise-ass, but trying to pointedly ask.
 
I need to know how to talk to him when he starts bullying. "Don't tell me what to do" is not going to cut it.
We are neither codependent or interdependent. And we are no where near a healthy relationship. I really thought I was being clear but my therapist has also asked me what problem am I trying to solve. Closest thing I can think of is how to be less non confrontational.
 
Well, putting aside that I imagine you may need each other more than you're saying, sounds like a couples therapist might be helpful. Your question as you just stated makes sense and I don't know of an easy answer. You need more tools and maybe he needs another perspective to see how he's being. Others may have more concrete advice about how to address the bullying. I know the feeling.
 
When he starts bullying you, you could say something like: "It's times like these that I feel you are bullying me."

When he is acting out of his pleasant persona you could have a discussion about his unpleasant persona. It seems you have an easy way of being honest. Let him know that he has an unpleasant side, you know it and you are willing to tell him that he does. If he doesn't want to talk about it, maybe that's fine with you but you don't need to let him think that side doesn't exist in your experience.
 
@seedling: thx. Exactly what I am looking for. I lack the courage to ruin our very few precious moments by bringing up any conflicts. He often asks me not to bring up conflicts. I can almost see him struggling to communicate calmly. It ends often in anger and dissociation. We go to cafes so I am protected. I asked if there was some reason that we never went to my home. He said "Of course not". However, he has said no 5 times. Going to cafes is deadly expensive and now he is insisting that we go dutch. I am insisting that we meet at my place instead. For now, I want to keep the communication to a minimum.
@Jemini: couple therapy has a very low success rate statistically. No way could he deal with that level of conflict/stress so I keep it super simple. Neither of us wants the relationship unless there is sex. I want to establish a regular pattern or practice that is done as a habit.
 
If somone spoke to me the way you described I would say calmly in a low voice "please don't speak to me like that" if he kicked off I would pick up my shit and leave. Then try to talk to home about it when he was in a better mind frame like others have said using language like "I feel" and saying if "I spoke to you that way how would that make you feel?". There's no use beating abound the bush explain what is and is not expectable, if he was still a dick about it....see ya later, you are both not too invested so call it quits.
 
@candor You do not need language or words, you need the courage to walk away. You said you needed bluntness, so I'm going to be very blunt and i hope this doesn't seem to harsh. I see nothing in your post to suggest there is anything good about this relationship, no redeeming factors whatsoever to make up for his abuse. How long have you been together and why do you usually meet in public? You said you often do not bring things up to avoid conflict -- WAKE UP! That is the first sign that this relationship is toxic and you are being emotionally abused. He has conditioned you to be afraid to speak your mind!!! That is abuse, plain and simple; he has turned you into a doormat and you let him. Why? That's what you should be asking yourself, not "what words can i use to fix the relationship" but "why am I in this relationship and why am I letting him treat me this way?" From your comments, you make it sound as if his abuse isn't affecting you and it doesn't really bother you, but I find that very hard to believe. Your entire post says otherwise. This does seem like a codependent relationship, on your part at least, and it has red flags all over it. You are rationalizing all his abuse away and frankly acting very irrational in general about the relationship; it's blatantly codependent if you're putting up with so much bullying and go to such great lengths all because you;ve chosen for the "relationship to be more about him." Maybe I am missing some details that would make me see this differently, and if so, i'm sorry. But from what you've posted here, I'm shocked that you don't see how toxic this is.
 
@Casey_03: I am aware that I may be in deep denial. I'd say chances are 50-50. That is why I am here and that is why I see a therapist. I prefer it here cause no one sugar coats. I deeply appreciate the bluntness. My guy has not conditioned me to be afraid to speak my mind. Someone else like him did long ago and I dont want that to ever happen again. Unless I accept full responsibility that it can never happen without ones permission then it will happen again and again. I choose carefully how and when to speak my mind. When I don't do this then only I am to blame. I am always practicing. He does not have my permission to hurt me. The abused become abusers. I expect him to try. He goes to therapy, he exercises, he dropped smoking and drinking for years. He's on paid disability. And he has isolated himself and gone celibate for 8 years. That's heavy duty self punishment for someone that is aware that he can be dangerous. So leave him there to rot alone? Not gonna happen. I wont stalk him or chase him either. Eventually, it is all his choice. I know his chances are slim but I don't believe that I risk that much. I don't need more friends or lovers. I am in a good place. I don't do relationships in a traditional way. That might explain the irrationality. Gosh I really hope I am not delusional. LOL ;-)
 
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