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@Ms Spock I used the search function. Where are articles kept? I have followed this forum for 5 months before I ever started posting. My ex gaslighted me between 2000-2005. Gaslighting was what costed me a 10 year meltdown. I am super careful not to do it to anyone.

Bloom-in-Winter posted:
"A few quick tips: If you are dancing the Gaslight Tango: opt out of the power struggles; avoid the right-wrong debates; use silence instead of commenting when someone is provoking you;

I practice all this and do well. I am much more affected by the voice rather than the words. In other words, I have set a boundary that he needs to keep his voice down. He respects that. If I were to say don't get aggressive, he would fail. When he gets irrational, I don't bring it up. I think that that would be invalidating. The language I use, on the other hand, is very important. I teach him how I want to be spoken to and I want to be very consistent. Got to stop freezing so I can say what needs to be said. Our safety word is Thank you. We stop talking and switch topic immediately. I have to remember to use that. I have learned all kinds of stuff from him that results in my healing past wounds. I have becomes a lot more blunt and outspoken when I interact with the real world because of his influence. I guess my greatest fear is that he will one day shut the door shut. What a waste that would be... I am proud to be his friend. I am proud of his progress. Its his work not mine.
 
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We go to cafes so I am protected.
You shouldn't need to be protected.

Going to cafes is deadly expensive and now he is insisting that we go dutch.
No. Just no.

I am insisting that we meet at my place instead.
But what about needing to be protected?

It sounds like you are doing a dangerous dance @candor. Just from the few posts here about it, it sounds like it would be exhausting to hang out with this guy. And someone who insists on going to an expensive cafe - should be paying for said expensive cafe. There just seems to be so much accommodation coming from your end and it sounds like he is a raging 3 year old, you know?
 
So leave him there to rot alone? Not gonna happen.

This statements sounds a lot like trying to save him. I know you have made statements somewhat opposite to this as well.

If he rots there alone it's his choice - so, it may happen, it's not up to you. If he is truly making the choice not to do that I think he would be more accommodating to you. He needs to make some concessions to the real world, not just that he can be with someone that does it all his way so it's "not too hard."

Where does the feeling behind "Not gonna happen" come from?
 
It is a dangerous dance. I am a notorious mother teresa type. I write like crazy when I need grounding.
@seedling Where does the feeling behind "Not gonna happen" come from? Four things happened the past
5 months:
1)June: My dad died this summer at the same time I met this guy. My dad had been tortured by his mom and never spoke to her again. Maybe some daddy complex going on? Maybe some guilt that I might not have understood PTSD and blame my dad for things he was not accountable for? Dad and I did not speak for 20 years but said our goodbyes in a civil manner thru skype.He died a lonely and miserable death. I did not fall apart. I really thought that I would feel nothing for anyone ever again.
2)Nov: My mom (in Brazil) and my godmother (in NY) are going senile on me. My godmother was my idol and my real dad so to speak. She has always been unstable and now she also shows signs of violence. My sister took my godmother to Brazil. My mom is scared of my godmother and so is my sister. So they have freaked
me out and told me if there is any trouble she goes to a home.
3) Dec: Two close guy friends of mine from separate families had to put each of their 20 yr old sons in psychiatric wards for Christmas. The guilt and shame felt and the worry that their other kids will also get hurt. Both daddies got regularly beaten up by their abusive wives and sons. The sons destroy their family property. I have spent most of Christmas counseling them and kept up my good spirits: "Lets look at our options shall we. You are not alone."

So its been a bit like exposure therapy on steroids for me. I dissociate like crazy and cheer everyone up. At some point there was so much to worry about that it all seemed comical. I just cant be bothered to worry. I research the scientific journals for biological explanations to where all this violence comes from. I try to explain to these daddies what the doctors don't have time to. I try to explain to my mom that my godmother probably won't even remember that she threatened to kill herself on Christmas. "Don't worry mom".

My truth is that we need to show a lot more compassion. Take things a lot less personal and re-connect. I do this by helping someone who I was least likely to connect with. His occasional absurd little mean remarks are just melting raindrops that don't get to me. If he can somewhat live with PTSD I can handle my easy life. He has saved me somewhat in my fantasies and often in our dreams getting shattered. I can't save anyone. I want to inspire. I want to be annoying enough for him to feel that he is not invisible. That someone out there listens...you know just in case. Like my godmother once said "Its hard for people that have families to understand the price we pay by having none". So what is not gonna happen is one more person out there destined to be sucked in by some black hole while no one cares.
 
Hmmm. Define happy and how/why he seems, in spite of his behaviors in your opening post to make you happy please?

Why do you think/feel or did you decide that this is the relationship for you?
The reason I'm asking is cuz I had some weapons grade sponsors who would tell me, "Why do you think/feel that you deserve that?"... and ask me to self examine and explain it. It was interesting to say the least more than half the time, particular with relational issues not just partners, but familial and friendships.
 
@FridayJones I like and respect him very much. The day I wrote this post, he had been the most abusive I have ever seen him be. Of course, I did not like the behaviour one bit. He's been controlling and nasty about 2% of the time. He's been dissociative while pleasant about 80%. He's been pleasant but don't touch me 8% of the time. I have not seen him since. He texts and shyly asked if he can write. "Sure no problem" I said. He still hasn't and that is no surprise. I am learning that the space is good for us both. I don't contact.

@The Albatross asked Define happy and how/why he seems, in spite of his behaviours in your opening post to make you happy please?

Been studying neuroscience since the 70's so I define happiness as chemicals in your bodies: dopamine, serotonin, endorphins and oxytocin. I don't like taking meds and so I have taught myself to hack into anything that creates happiness like "the right foods", orgasms, and exercise. My relationships are very untraditional so I rather say I don't do relationships with labels and strings attached. I don't like to be told what to do and am self supportive. I played along with his bullying so as to be cautious.

I had been unhappy for most of a decade. I was very sick with chronic stress. Last winter, I remember meeting a woman in group therapy who acted a lot like me. She was 10 years my senior. I said to myself "Take a good look at yourself in the future". I decided then and there "This is not who I want to be in 10 years." So ok maybe you cant really decide to be happy but that is exactly what I did. I stopped complaining. I smiled all the time until it hurt. Most of all I stopped taking anything personal and forced myself to worry less. Like now I worry that I am delusional about feeling happy....but... Not gonna worry. :) All this was really hard work. I had not been social for years. You couldn't get a laugh out of me let alone a giggle before.

I now believe that happiness can be the mere thought of someone. Since only I control my thoughts, only I am responsible for the happiness I feel. I actively laugh and say thank you a lot.

We met at a cafe where people recovering from trauma meet. During the summer, I offer free windsurfing lessons at a club. I offered "the guy" lessons. He told me he had PTSD. I booked me a trauma therapist (just in case).

My friend/guy fell in serious LUST. We both seemed intoxicated with happiness and laughed a lot. I still light up when I see him. Its embarrassingly noticeable. He lights up too. Then out of nowhere and unprovoked he can sabotage these feelings and insist on a fight. I have been seriously gaslighted before in a previous relationship but this feels so different. It feels like an inappropriate and automatic reflex. It does not seem deliberate or nor goal oriented in any way. We both live in a culture where aggression in public is rarely witnessed. He seems mortified and ashamed and literally runs and hides.

There is something called the frustration attraction (described in Roman times). When there are any barriers to a relationship you just love them harder. I think of PTSD as a fustrating barrier. I think of "the avoidance response" we get as a barrier for us both. So I am very aware of the dynamics. I do not see this as a romantic relationship but it is a very caring one. I am puzzled by the attraction but can't deny it. I am addicted to the rush I get.

Impulsive aggression is defined as the tendency to respond with hostility when faced with serious frustration. So to me, it is not that strange that someone would avoid any form of sexual arousal or relationship closeness if they feel a sudden inexplicable impulse to basically fight and get mean with the person that they want. Not saying it happens to all PTSD suffers. But I can imagine how much confusion it creates.

It is no secret that we all eventually crash to an extent from our sexual attraction highs. Even normal people are known to get sad or angry even after amazing sex. Google it.

He has IBS. His diet is extremely low in fat. Low fat diets combined with low serotonin levels are known to cause Hyde-like behavior. Low levels of serotonin are associated with obsessive-compulsive disorder. The most powerful characteristic of romantic love is obsessive thinking. I find romantic love exhausting and addictive. I lack the energy but I like the feeling.

I cant talk to him about these things yet. Talking about relationships conflicts and exhaust him. I let him volunteer whatever info he wants to give and hope it's correct. He was doing so great. He told me that he sees his therapist and is happy with her. He also said that his meds have been lowered to an insignificant level. I was so happy cause he looked healthy. I never liked SSRI's myself. Note I am not a psychiatrist. “There’s no biological evidence to support the use of SSRIs for PTSD” (google: possible new weapon against PTSD)

"SSRI drugs provide relief for many but do not help everybody. Restoring the balance between the serotonin and substance P systems could become a new treatment strategy for individuals suffering from traumatic incidents," says lead author Andreas Frick, researcher at the Department of Psychology, Uppsala University. (new findings 2015)

There is a very complex and poorly understood interplay of systems operating here and its scary how we literally pop pills and "trust" experts while Pharma companies get rich. What is going to help people with depression, PTSD, anxiety, and the lower level mental illnesses that often times have a cause or trigger is what people today don't want to give: patience, compassion, and resources. Its a slow process.

I have asked friends, therapists and family if I am manipulative. I am told that I am not. They say that I can't resist a challenge. The challenge here is to gather information for now. It should be everyone's challenge.
 
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