Marijuana (mj) And Ptsd Treatment

[Jimmy1]

Never thought I would here myself say this, but after some exorbitant amount of research for a friend, trying to prove him wrong, and after a three month visit to my psych, it looks like inroads have been made into medical marijuana and it's use with veterans with PTSD.

To cut a long story short, it comes down to the percentage of THC and the type of plant. Here are another couple of pages for the boffins to read.

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http://montanabiotech.com/2013/03/2...thcv-cbg-and-other-unique-phyto-cannabinoids/

Basically, THC is the real kicker, the main psychotropic chemical which 'Couch Locks' a person, causes extreme anxiety, paranoia etc. It also causes increased appetite helps sleep.

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There are a lot of growers in California, Canada, and the UK which have done some mind blowing genetic changes so you can basically shop for seeds to suit your ailment.

There are also two major types of plant, 'Sativa' and 'Indica'. For people with all the symptoms associated with PTSD, an Indica strain would be the best, something with low THC.

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The next issue is how to induce it.

Vapoiser seems to be the way to go. I watched a documentary where an old lady with cancer used one as her liver was failing. She was the happiest grannie I ever saw. hahahhaa.

Cooking is another one. There are people with Chronic pain who have a couple of cookies in the morning rather than tablets, they get what's called a body stone and their head is clear.

There is also day time marijuana to help people who still work.

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Lastly, if you want to watch a video called 'Super High Me', the guy does 30 days without and 30 days with and goes through a bunch of tests including an aptitude test.

Just waffling, but they will never legalise it here and Margaret would have my balls, so I will be pill popping for the rest of my life.

 

[Spock]

Or Jimmy ~ you move to our conceptual Vets only island in the south pacific and become the head grower!

 

[Jimmy1]

Hmmmm. We would need some hydro electric system going for the vaporisers to work.

We need Sludge as our chemist.

And I think Jar and Sarg can be two of the wise men, who could be the third??

 

[Sarg]

Ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!

Sarg

 

[Sarg]

Sarg

Oh, forgot to add thanks to Anthony for fixing the you tube thing.

 

[docboob#49]

Medical Marijuana became legal in Az 3 years ago and I started using it as an alternative to opiate pain meds to treat pain associated with MS. I noticed right away that my anxiety level went down and the nightmares which I,ve had for almost 40 years almost stopped. I don't get any formal treatment for my PTSD because I don't fit any of the cookie cutter treatment programs the VA offers and if you don't fit their nice little mold, they don't have any alternative. Besides, how can some wet nosed kid who has never been in any kind of threatening situation understand, or treat, those of us who have?

 

[Jimmy1]

First of all welcome to the forum. Your intro is mighty small and some of the other vets might not see it. Dust off medic in Nam, damn, what a nightmare of a job. Glad you found us though. For those members who did not see it.

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Medical Marijuana became legal in Az 3 years ago and I started using it as an alternative to opiate pain meds to treat pain associated with MS. I noticed right away that my anxiety level went down and the nightmares which I,ve had for almost 40 years almost stopped.

About the pot, well if it works, it works. I know they have some good sativa out there which treats anxiety and pain, the problem is that it is not legal in all states or countries yet so people rely on the street deal and you just can't tell what your getting.

I don't get any formal treatment for my PTSD because I don't fit any of the cookie cutter treatment programs the VA offers and if you don't fit their nice little mold, they don't have any alternative. Besides, how can some wet nosed kid who has never been in any kind of threatening situation understand, or treat, those of us who have?

With regard to therapy, your right about the cookie cutter mold, but therapy is really the only treatment for PTSD, the drugs people use only take the edge off the symptoms. Honestly, it's a matter of shopping around individual therapists who deal with PTSD.

I too would not go see a wet nosed kid either, but there are some seriously experienced people out there who have been dealing with our veterans for a decade. They may not have been in a threatening situation, but they have heard story after story after story and have dealt with thousands of veterans. You see, there are very limited people out there who have been outside the wire or in a warzone who are also qualified as therapists. You have to shop around mate.

The Nam guys on here will agree with me, they too hate the wet nosed therapists just out of university, but they do go to therapist's or group sessions with people who know what they are doing.

Cheers

Jimmy

 

[Sarg]

Bob, first Thanks! for all the guys that didn't have time to thank you in a dustoff. Second, do you know of any Vet Centers near you? They are completely different than the VA, most are combat Vets and certainly no wet noses. I made friends with some of the greatest Brothers I've ever known.

Know nothing about the MS, so can't advise you there. But hang around, it's amazing some of the info on this site.

Sarg

 

[Zipperhead]

I'll never forget the guy in the back with me on my flight back to the Hospital. He kept kicking the shit out of me every time I closed my eyes. They told me afterward that if they can keep you awake until you get into the operating room your chances go up. I'd still like to give that guy a good kick though. Evening Bob.

 

[Fargo1]

Besides, how can some wet nosed kid who has never been in any kind of threatening situation understand, or treat, those of us who have?

Hey Bob, a little late but I've been digging myself to exhaustion everyday this month (literally digging some drainage lines on my property).

Anyway I had something to say about this. I don't know about the wet-nosed part, however prior to getting my therapist I had this exact viewpoint myself. "There is no way they can understand so how can they help." When I finally hit what I thought was the bottom and started flailing around with the VA, then on my own I had to do something. I found this little old lady (5' nothing, 67 years old), a specialist in PTSD (but not with Combat related PTSD) who agreed to meet with me. First meeting was a couple of hours long and I was — highly agitated and antagonistic. She told me that she wasn't taking new clients and asked me if I would go see a couple of guys she knew that treated cops and firemen. Of those men, one was a former soldier and had worked as a fireman prior to getting his degree. They all seemed like decent dudes, but my mind kept going back to that little old lady.

Then I got a call from her about a week later and she said that she wanted to see me again. We sat and had a conversation during which she asked me a lot of questions and I answered. Then she said, "I don't usually do this as it can damage the therapist/patient relationship. I have been doing this for many years and you were one of the most angry people I have seen. Plus you are quite large and I had to think about your condition and my physical safety. I wasn't worried that you would hurt me on that day or today. But if we start doing this together, we are going to be taking you back into very scary places again. Places where you are programmed to react with hostility and violence. Now after today, I am quite sure that we can be safe doing that. Would you like to continue?"

So long story only kinda long... I'm not saying that it is for everyone, but I think the "they can't understand" point of view should be looked at like this —Just because a Cardiothoracic surgeon hasn't had bypass surgery themselves, doesn't mean that they can't perform the surgery. Therefore, a therapist doesn't have to have been there and done that, what they need is to understand PTSD. It's causes and effects and how to treat it.

Now how do you find them? I haven't a f*cking clue. I found mine by swinging my stick at the pinata while blindfolded. Two years later I'm still trying. Been up, been down. Been to jail. But I'm still here and she's to blame ;-)

Okay, back to talking about the Kind. Of which I have not much to say!

 

[Drgnner]

I have been living on this site all day. I need to get some real stuff done, but I found this string on the topic of pot and I have 2 bits to throw in.

It is the only drug so far that puts a smile on my face. I really hate that anxious feeling, so I cant be around uptight people or drama addicts. My recipe for using the stuff is first a little food, clonazepam if needed and then a little pot and always something to drink due to the dry mouth problem.

I will smile, think good thoughts and hum old Beatles tunes. My aches and pains become more tolerable along with the improved attitude. The dogs are suddenly cuter and the cats more tolerable, the horses more loving and my wife gets cuter.

Sometimes I begin to babble on about nothing or something and it doesn't matter. Sometimes I find my thoughts to be clever and sometime not so clever, but always interesting (to me).

When I grew the stuff I gave a lot of it to cancer patients ... free ... and they loved me for it and I sold the rest. I felt good about that part! But alas, growing it proved to be too stressful as it is against the law and I didn't want to go to jail, so I quit. I hate stress.

I smoked it once in RVN and passed out cold. That scared me and I did not do it again. I rediscovered it when I was 26. That was a long time ago.

So I am in favor of it. I hope they decriminalize it.

Best wishes!

 

[Jimmy1]

I have been living on this site all day. I need to get some real stuff done, but I found this string on the topic of pot and I have 2 bits to throw in.

It is the only drug so far that puts a smile on my face. I really hate that anxious feeling, so I cant be around uptight people or drama addicts. My recipe for using the stuff is first a little food, clonazepam if needed and then a little pot and always something to drink due to the dry mouth problem.

I will smile, think good thoughts and hum old Beatles tunes. My aches and pains become more tolerable along with the improved attitude. The dogs are suddenly cuter and the cats more tolerable, the horses more loving and my wife gets cuter.

Sometimes I begin to babble on about nothing or something and it doesn't matter. Sometimes I find my thoughts to be clever and sometime not so clever, but always interesting (to me).

When I grew the stuff I gave a lot of it to cancer patients ... free ... and they loved me for it and I sold the rest. I felt good about that part! But alas, growing it proved to be too stressful as it is against the law and I didn't want to go to jail, so I quit. I hate stress.

I smoked it once in RVN and passed out cold. That scared me and I did not do it again. I rediscovered it when I was 26. That was a long time ago.

So I am in favor of it. I hope they decriminalize it.

Best wishes!

So do I mate. My GP is in favor of it and wishes Australia decriminalized it so they could get on with the research and extract the chemicals that target our symptoms. The problem all around the world is that most of these organisations are federally funded so it isn't going happen. To think, it's a natural herb with awesome capabilities yet they would rather manufactured chemicals.