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Sufferer My Introduction, Written 5/24/14

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So sorry to hear about what you had to witness and have gone through! Others are right, from what I can tell anyway, minimizing and also the feeling that others deserve it more than one does personally is a pretty common feeling. There was a thread where we were discussing this recently..sorry but I forget which one! But you are not alone in feeling this way.

I can really understand the concept of feeling at fault, even when on an intellectual / realistic level you know that its not true. It's a very hard feeling to shake...
 
I am trying really hard to pay attention to the minimizing thing you all are pointing out. It is difficult to do. I know I went through something traumatic that no one should ever have to go through. I would never wish it on my worst enemy. I also am aware that there is not a singular bar or scale for trauma, and that all of our traumas are, for lack of a better word, horrific. I don't want my trauma placed above or below anyone's. My trauma was just that -- traumatic to me. And that's really all that should matter, right?
 
I think it may come from knowing how competent & resourceful we were as children, we can't easily feel like or remember or maybe accept we were a child or non-adult's intellect, or understanding. I just read that, that we were independent & didn't have the possibility to rely on others. And the horror, too.

Dear @AqueousAndroid , :hug: :hug: then.[DOUBLEPOST=1400950988,1400950843][/DOUBLEPOST]Dear @AqueousAndroid , if that had not been traumatic something would be grossly wrong. I think we push it 'down & out" because it's so traumatic it's a way to bear with it.
 
Welcome to the forums. You're not alone and I hope that helps a little. I agree with the others about minimising. I also totally understand how it's possible to be seemingly completely separated from the reality of the situation (i.e. feeling it's 'not that bad'). I find it useful to remind myself, that if it was another person, a family member or friend - heck, even a complete stranger - telling me the same story, I would of course think 'that is truly awful!'. I'd feel really upset for that person, and want to reach out and give them a :hug:. I read your story and I feel that way - I feel for you, and know of course that is traumatic, and is not anything anyone, let alone a young child, should EVER witness. That it was your mother, is worse still. Yet when it comes to my trauma, I am like you, in that I often struggle to 'connect' to it, and feel confused as to WHY am I that messed up about something that's 'not a big deal'? You're not alone in feeling this way. I think that you felt anxious typing your story to share on here is telling - it is a hint of what you really feel deep down, buried likely until you feel safe enough to be able to process it.

I witnessed my mother dying also. She was an alcoholic and a codeine addict, and had a fatal heart attack in her mid thirties. I was 10 years old, and even though a few minutes before she had told me 'go away, I just want to be left alone!', I went back into her room, as she was having her fatal heart attack. I froze for a moment, then calmly asked if she was ok, then said 'I'll go get Dad" (she was unable to breathe, or talk and was in severe pain, judging by her face). I blame myself like you do, for not 'doing it better'. I didn't yell at Dad that something was wrong, I told him, and because the tv was up loud (for my deaf grandmother to hear) he could not hear me, so it took several attempts for me to be heard. It was such a severe heart attack, that even if she had been in ICU when it happened, it's not likely she would have survived, but it doesn't stop the guilt, huh,

What you saw in front you was very traumatic - I know you blame yourself for 'not calling 911'. Firstly you were a child; secondly, most people, when witnessing something so traumatic, 'freeze' and do not move quickly to 'act' or 'think straight'. It's called 'fight or flight' and it is NOT something we can control. Few adults in your situation would be able to think 'call 911'. Even trained professionals can freeze on their job, in traumatic situations. I knew about that response in theory, but having been through several major, devastating earthquakes, I know for sure it is absolutely out of our control. Why? Because all the different stories I heard and people told me. Mothers with young children / babies, when the quakes struck, some found themselves running for the doorway / safety, and leaving their screaming babies / children, behind 'in danger'. Yes, they went to them once the shaking stopped, but in that moment of sheer terror, they acted 'without thinking'. Huge feelings of guilt with their 'failure' to protect their babies and children. Then there were the stories of big, burly men in the centre of town, who walked past multiple trapped, dead or dying people, and went home. Later, they felt tremendous guilt and shame, for doing this - one mans said in the paper - he cannot understand why he just walked past those needing help - young people, the same age as his children. He was strong and 'capable' of helping, he wasn't injured, but he just 'went on auto pilot' and went home. Then there were the 'heroes' - they too, reported 'acting on auto pilot' and 'jumped into help, without thinking', even though they put themselves in danger doing so. You hear that all the time in situations like this - a random stranger leaps into help, and when asked about their bravery later, they almost always say "I just did it". That is flight or fight - it is not something we can 'control'.

And it also varies as to how you will respond in any given traumatic situation. When my mother was dying, I was calm (i.e. cut off from all feeling). I asked if she was ok, and when I got no answer, I 'went to get Dad'. From that experience aged 10, I assumed that if anything' big' happened, I'd be able to respond in the same way - cool, calm, collected. And in a lot of situations (i.e., my work, I can - and I do, when faced with potential life threatening emergencies in my work situation). But, when the earthquakes hit, I was too afraid to leave my house for hours and hours. Even though I am a trained health professional, I turned OFF my pager, and ignored my phone, because I was simply too traumatized to be capable of thinking of anything, other than my own, immediate survival. It took a LONG time to be able to accept that was 'fight or flight', not me being a gutless bitch.

Anyway, sorry for the novel - just wanted to say, you are not alone, you're not to blame and I hope you settle into the community here and feel as supported as I have over the past few months :hug:.
 
(of course the dumbass kid I was, I didn't dial 911 or anything, no I just wanted to know what happened to her)
Sweetheart, you were an 11 year old girl. Too young to process what was happening to your mother. Anybody would be stunned to see someone in that condition and the energy of that situation must have been terrifying.

I so wish you had had someone with you to hug you.

I feel like the thing is, even if you were not there, did not see, could have had no control in calling 911, that you may have felt a need to beat yourself up for not doing something 'else' better and how it was your fault. You were just a baby honey and your reactions to seeing smoke etc are so perfectly normal for what you have seen.
 
I feel like the thing is, even if you were not there, did not see, could have had no control in calling 911, that you may have felt a need to beat yourself up for not doing something 'else' better and how it was your fault. You were just a baby honey and your reactions to seeing smoke etc are so perfectly normal for what you have seen.


That is so true - it's a normal response, for children to blame themselves when a parent dies - regardless of the circumstances. Whether you left your toys laying on the floor (when that had nothing to do with the accident or death!) or weren't 'good enough' or more commonly in young children, the times you had silently (or out loud) 'wished' your parent to be dead. Read through any of the literature surrounding loss of a parent as a child, you will read it is normal for us to blame ourselves, no matter how 'ridiculous' it seems on the logical level. It's due to needing to have some form of control over the situation. Better to have 'done' something to 'cause' it (so you can prevent it from happening again, to your other parent, or loved one) than to have no control in the outcome at all.

EDITED to change 'abnormal' response in my first line, to what it was meant to read ' A NORMAL response!'
 
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Better to have 'done' something to 'cause' it (so you can prevent it from happening again, to your other parent, or loved one) than to have no control in the outcome at all
Yes! It is what I call the fear of the fright. The body is terrified that it is not going to deal with this well again (when it happens again, and it realizes if it happened once it can happen again so it MUST be prepared). And it is clearly the body as the mind knows that there is no logical reason to believe it will happen again. Therefore I have to ask, why the freezer? Does your body get very hot when you are triggered into remembering?

I don't know, it may not be a very popular opinion but I feel it is more about what happened to your body at the time of this trauma than your mind. How your body reacted. There is no logic in the world that will help until the body memories are honoured imho.
 
Yes! It is what I call the fear of the fright. The body is terrified that it is not going to deal with this well again (when it happens again, and it realizes if it happened once it can happen again so it MUST be prepared). And it is clearly the body as the mind knows that there is no logical reason to believe it will happen again. Therefore I have to ask, why the freezer? Does your body get very hot when you are triggered into remembering?


I'm not sure if this is in reference to my above post? If it is, I'm not sure I understand what you mean?
 
Yes, the fear of the fright is in reference to your talking @NovemberStar about not wanting to have this happen ever again. In other words it is extreme anxiety about the fright of the fearful response happening again. Almost like a circular pattern. It comes with avoidance, that many times may look like illogical responses and feel like there is some modicum of control for the person affected. Forgive the confusion please.

The second paragraph was attempting to point out that regardless of how many times people try to 'talk themselves' into logical thought to get out of the PTSD experience my suggestion it is through the actions of the body (going into the freezer) that helps bring awareness to the patterns of the brain.
 
Ohh, thanks for clarifying that. I was talking in terms of the adrenalin response, at the moment of something awful / traumatic happening - how the body automatically either reacts as 'fight' or 'flight'; more than the fear later on of 'what if it happens again'. But I also relate to not ever wanting to have the fright again - when my mother died, I was told "she's dead". The shock of that moment, of being completely UNprepared for my uncle to say those words, was something I set out to avoid at all costs. So for the next 20 years, I anticipated and rehearsed, all possible deaths of all those close to me, so that if it were to happen again, I would not ave that degree of shock or unpreparedness EVER again. I might not be able to ever prevent someone close to me dying, but I sure could prevent it coming as a huge shock'. My dad or sister or both getting into a car, for a drive? I rehearsed the accident, being told, seeing their bodies, planning their funerals, and coping after it. Obviously not all to helpful in the long term to live expecting another sudden death / shock.
 
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