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Need Advice on Theory of PTSD Towards Soldiers

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Joey Padula

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As a college student preparing to write a paper on PTSD i have had this theory in the back of my mind for awhile. I really would like people who know alot more, or even better have it post what they think of my thoughts about PTSD. I would love all kinds of posts about it so dont hold back especially if you disagree go all out.

A Soldier’s Limbo

As war has raged across Afghanistan and Iraq for the past six years, more and more veterans continue to arrive back in the States. Many of these soldiers struggle to assimilate back into society because of a variety of problems ranging from alcohol and drug abuse, to Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. The Veterans association believes that nearly 200,000 veterans are homeless on any given night and nearly 400,000 experience homelessness over the course of a year. Conservatively, one out of every three homeless men who is sleeping in a doorway, alley or box in our cities and rural communities has put on a uniform and served this country. The terrible problems of PTSD and alcohol and drug abuse, has increasingly been prevalent in America’s war veterans. These problems have destroyed the lives of many soldiers desperately striving to assimilate back into civilian life. Post Traumatic Stress Disorder is a major problem effecting veterans. This disorder has lead Veterans down the self destructive path and drugs and alcohol. I believe part of a soldiers inability to assimilate easily back into America’s society stems from the mental schema and ideological beliefs that soldiers have mentally created to justify the terrible carnage that soldiers both inflict and receive during combat. These moral justifications conflict with American societies strong moral ideologies. This confrontation has caused soldiers to be unable to justify or reconcile their actions at war with society’s moral code. The soldiers are than stuck between both the ideals of the military and the ideals of society, leaving them in a mentally destructive limbo. The soldier’s major moral dilemma, in which they are incredibly haunted by their actions, manifests itself through the terrible disorder of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. A majority of soldiers have tried to self destructively numb the pain of PTSD through alcoholism and drug addiction.it an article in the July 8, 2008 edition of The New York Times notes "a growing body of evidence that alcohol abuse is rising among veterans of combat in Afghanistan and Iraq, many of them trying to deaden the repercussions of war and disorientation of home."

Americans live in a society that indoctrinates its community with the belief in the sanctity of life. The purposeful extinguishment of another human’s life is unacceptable. The ethos “Thou shall not kill” is ingrained into are society. It surrounds us through our court houses and our churches. Our schools, although not as intensely, teach us the golden rule; do unto others as you would want others do to you. Through these and many other simple resounding ideals, Americans have created the strong philosophy that life is precious. Unknowingly, this belief is part of an inherent system of ideals that unites us and creates the nationalistic idea of an American.

However, this indoctrination is reversed in the Unite States military. The renowned writer and Vietnam War Veteran Philip Caputo wrote in A RUMOUR OF WAR, of a time in which the military deliberately breaks down the American philosophy of the sacredness of life. Caputo remembers his sergeant teaching the ethos of murder through a lesson, in which he points to a Marine and asks,

Sergeant: “You, what does this say?”
Marine: “it say’s ambushes are murder,’ sergeant”
Sergeant: Right and Shouts, “AMBUSHES ARE MURDER,” then returns to the blackboard, writes something else, and again asks, “what does that say?”
Marine: “AND MURDER IS FUN.”
Sergeant: “right again… “Now, everybody say it. AMBUSHES ARE MURDER AND MURDER IS FUN.”

As soldiers are sent out into battle the numerous converging ethos’s of society, the military, and soldiers own personal conscious is pushed out of mind as they are faced with an endless feeling of peril, the powerful presence of death. When soldiers are thrust into such situations they are forced into the animal like innate flight or fight response. As the peril subsides, it is then that questions of morality vengefully converge upon the soldiers mind. It is at this moment in which the soldier fully comprehends his actions and equates himself as a part of the terrible carnage and destruction that inevitably occurs during all wars.

I believe that Post Traumatic Stress Disorder is partly caused by the direct confrontation between society’s moral ethos and the Militaries. One in particular is society’s ethos of the immoral nature of the purposeful destruction of life. The direct confrontation between the two is blatant for the militaries purpose is to train soldiers into becoming killing machines. Societies purpose is to train people to be able to live together in a community.
 
I agree with your thesis; but you might want to bring in an aspect of the severe neurological implications, the chemistry of the brain and how it processes trauma. If your thesis is true and as simple as that.......then healing would just be about resolving this dichotomy within the person on a conscious level.

Thing happen on a neurological level with regards to trauma, and this is why PTSD is so difficult to treat. Perhaps you can find a way to use this societal conflict that establishes itself in the individual as more of a supporting statement of significance and concentrate on the effect that the actual trauma has on the phsyiology of the sufferer. Go with the fight or flight stuff and the inability of the sufferer to resolve the inner conflict of having to kill or be killed.

As a sufferer my whole life......you could also bring in the intense turmoil caused by the conscious conflict of why on Earth your own mother and father would be attempting to inflict harm or kill you as a child?.......tie that into the soldiers experience also, since PTSD is suffered by many who have never been in the military.

But I would start out with 1st paragraph of the physciological effects of intense stress and trauma, supported with resources and then move on to your thesis that part of the trauma response could possibly be initiated by the intense inner conflict of the sufferer to resolve the incongruencies of the experience, be it military or family.
 
Just some ideas to consider: not every soldier who experiences combat develops PTSD. Some people who develop PTSD have never seen combat. Soldiers who have experienced childhood abuse/trauma are more likely to develop PTSD after trauma.

It's a complicated interplay of genetics, environment, and temperament, in my opinion.
 
I agree with Kers. I am a Psychology student and just finished writing a thesis paper on Combat Related PTSD. While not all cases of PTSD are related to combat, it is most common in soldier's who have served in combat. My ex-boyfriend is an Operation Iraqi Freedom Vet who suffers from PTSD due to his being in combat situations. His father is a Vietnam Vet who suffers from PTSD as well. His dad actually told me in conversations with him that when he was in the military he liked the idea of killing people. Which is so hard to believe. That the military has that kind of control over you. My ex used to share his stories of being in the military with me and he used to tell me that in his case he didn't want to kill anyone. But when you are ordered by your superiors to do what they say then what choice do you have? Even if it goes against what you truly believe in. I think that your paper has a great start. But like Tlight said, I would bring in an aspect of the severe neurological implications, the chemistry of the brain and how it processes trauma.
 
I think this might be a better quote:
"Be polite, be professional, have a plan to kill everyone you meet."

- Sign on the wall
Barwana U.S.Marine Base, Iraq

I think it is the constant stress of unknown dangers even more than the stress between right and wrong. Fight or flight starts to burn into your brain as new neural paths form to accommodate the repetition.

The brain builds neural paths as a result of repetition and dreaming. If you learn to play piano, after a day of practice, you dream about it that evening and new neural paths start to form. this is what seems to happen with PTSD.

Another thing to consider is that no one, no matter how "tough" can avoid PTSD if they are in the situation long enough. For some it will develop sooner, for others later. Therefore, buy sending soldiers back into combat again and again and again, Mr. Bush has literally created a PTSD factory.

We will be dealing with this for decades.
 
I think this might be a better quote:
"Be polite, be professional, have a plan to kill everyone you meet."


I cried when I read this thread, even more so when I read this post in particular. I myself joined this forum to help me deal with the things I went through in Iraq. This thread just inspired me to start my Dairy on these forums.

I quoted this post in particular because I believe this to be so true. After spending an entire year wondering if the next mortar is for you really jacked me up.... time to start that diary.
 
I see the moral implications as part of each soldier's struggle but not the predominate reason for PTSD. Maybe research the numbers on how many vets from Vietnam are suspected to have PTSD vs those of the last 6-10 years. Why? Because I believe that those who voluntarily chose the military in the past 10 years were trained in a different way than those who went to Vietnam. And please....anyone correct me if I'm wrong but here's my thought: Our recent vets were career soldiers. They were trained from day one of what is expected, what might happen, what will happen. That killing is the job no matter what the reason or justification. Those that joined after Sept 11 were doing it to protect their country but when they were shipped overseas there was no amount of training that prepared them for what they saw. Previous vets ie Vietnam were more of the mindset do your tour, survive and get the hell out.

The difference- the military right now trains you in advanced tactics to kill or neutralize the enemy. Lets say you join up at the age of 18....that is what you were taught and at such a young age do you really have any chance of returning home to a "normal" life where a car backfiring doesn't have any effect on you? I guess it's hard to explain but those that are serving now, have recently or served at young ages in any of our wars have had their brains permanently changed. Yes, coming home and having to follow a different set of rules/laws/morals adds to it but to me the source of the damage starts in boot camp.

As for the future- our soldiers have been hung out to dry and we have no idea how far or long this all reaches. Divorce, substance abuse, domestic violence are all up in military families because it's not just those that served that are in pain. The families are in pain too. Spouses and children are just as vulnerable to secondary trauma as anyone. And those that don't come home alive...how many friends and family members are emotionally scarred for life because of that? This is going to be an epidemic of such massive proportions this country will be damaged for generations. Maybe that should be someone's thesis one of these days.
 
Wow, Simpleman333, I feel honored at what you said. Thank you for telling your story.
 
Honestly I don't get what the theory is. It is not really explained.

PTSD is not just from combat. The vets may be the most famous but rape survivors and childhood abuse is the most common cause of PTSD. Don't forget natural tragedies, accidents, survivors of any type of life threatening situation etc...

If your theory is only related to combat then you need to make that very clear because it is not applicable to any one else with what you have written.

bec
 
I'm sorry, are you speaking to me or Joey?

I have PTSD and I've never been in combat.
 
Becvan,

Although i did not make it clear my post is specifically on PTSD stemming from combat. I know that their all different kinds of causes of PTSD. I was just jotting ideas down to get feedback about specifically ptsd in our war veterams. The more and more i think about it the more i believe that it is a combination between my thesis and a neurological shock that manifests itself much later through constant fear and emotional breakdown. I believe that it is almost a self mechanism in which your body creates an intense emotional shock imprint upon your body which causes you to not function properly. I believe that it might be your bodies way of emotionally breaking down as a self defense mechanism to sub conciously stop you from having the truama over again. What are your guys's thoughts do you think PTSD might be a self defense mechansim gone wrong.
I believe that this is true not just for combat veterans suffering from ptsd but also other sufferers from ptsd such as rape victims. I believe that the truama is harsh that your body starts neurologically to break down to stop that truama from destroying you copletely almost the case in which that it is a warning sign that seems to never leave you!!, whatever that truama may be. My thesis is that I believe that in the military, PTSD mainly stems from this neurological shock mixed with the carnage that you are so accustomed to see and do within the military which comes into conflict with societies and your own moral ideologies.

Thank you everyody for the feedback so far what do you think about the idea of ptsd being a self defensive mechanism gone wrong

I hope this helps i belive that to better understand the disorder is to find better ways to master it. Good luck to all of you with ptsd, I know you can overcome it, I believe in you all

Padula
 
I re-read the post now a few times and agree with wihat Becvan said. I also want to point out that many of the generalizations you have made are false. No matter how many tours a soldier does, it does NOT guarantee that they will get PTSD. The US government is doing studies on that very subject right now. The research shows SOME are at a higher risk than others to get it...they are concentrating on aspects of the brain that may have a marker that can show greater risk in certian people.

No...soldiers are not the only ones to get this and the reason it has made the news more is because of the high concentration of soldiers coming home with it. Like Becvan noted, if you do research on child abuse, rape, and other traumas, the statistics will show you over-whelming PTSD for those victims. EMS, police, firefighters....perfect examples of PTSD that has blurry statistics because people tend not to seek treatment or diagnosis. What you have posted here is unclear and not specific enough.
 
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