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Johnny1

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I am presently 69 and am blessed to see this side of grass. I served in HS 6 and HC 7 (Seadevils) as a rescue crewman in Vietnam. I served with the finest men I have ever known. I was in Vietnam 6 months in 66...4 months of 67, 11 months of 68, and 6 months of 1970. We flew the HH3A, the Navy version of the Jolly Green extraction helo.
I had trouble admitting to PTSD, when I was a lad, the guys from WW2 that had it were looked on a little different. You see, you are supposed to suck it up, take the pain, that was what the men of the old age did. (they actually didn't but that was the thought of the day.
My wife would sometimes come into a room, look at my face, and ask..."what are you mad about?" I had no answer, anger, like pain, is just there, something to live with, something to control; that is what the old wisdom was. Finally a friend said I needed to file a claim, I agreed and than shook him off....we did not file claims, we endured, took the pain, suppressed the anger, we were tough. Finally in 1992 I went in and talked to a VA psychologist...he asked many questions, and I lied marvelously...I am ok...just have bouts...we all have them...I am no different...real men did not whine to some wimpy doc in a white lab rat coat. But I still was awarded 10%...89 dollars every month. I never told anyone, I felt like I was betraying the guys I served with, the pilots we didn't rescue...those guys that never came home and I was rewarded 89 dollars every month for that guilt.
I knew it would get better in time, well I am still waiting for it to get better, it doesn't because those guys are always with you, and the mortality of them not coming home is always there. Instead of getting better, it actually got worse. Last year I was reevaluated, same scenario, questions you do not want to answer, and you still do not answer them completely, because that would make you look like a full blown suicidal fruitcake and they, the folks at the VA upped the ante to 50%.
The money does not cure the pain, it is still there. The faces of some that did not make it back is still there. The realization that your squadron was more committed than your nation to final victory is still there. The wars in the Middle East seem to aggravate and relive the memories.
Knowing the outcome, would I do it again....if I got to serve with the same guys, in a heart beat, they were the greatest guys in the world. I see them every two years at reunions and that does seem to help, we laugh, drink a little, laugh some more, drink a little more and find we have lost the original point at where our collective laughter was directed and find that funny. We always have a table, set with formal dining protocol, Chair tipped up, glass turned upside down, for those in our squadron that will not be joining us tonight. I miss those guys, everyday.
 
Welcome Home Johnny! and welcome to the forum - thank you for your service. Good to have another squid in our mist.

I was rewarded 89 dollars every month for that guilt.
I knew it would get better in time, well I am still waiting for it to get better,

Don't hold your breath brother - better, maybe manageable at best. The Beast (PTSD) is like a open wound that refuses to completely close and on occasion re-opens when you least expect it. We don't talk about stuff for 40+ years and it festers and festers. We deal with it by burying ourselves in work, family, booze, drugs and of course denial along with a whole host of comforting distractions. Yup, it works for a while, then the wheels come off the cart.

That's how it was for me, I arrived home in 1966 after 16 months in-country, like you I'm still grateful to be on the right side of the grass. Even though I can manage the beast with the help of other Vietnam Vets at the Vet Center everyday I await for the other shoe to drop - Agent Orange. Too many cancers to list here and so far have dodged a few close calls. In the end I can say I fought the good fight, today I got the beast by the short hairs.

The faces of some that did not make it back is still there
I know it all so well - along with the guilt. Don't let the VA rent space in your head. C&P's and claims process do not have any healing components just aggravation. There are a few of us 'Old Nam Shits' that hang our hats here so feel free to PM if you have off-line issues. I have no solutions, only what works for me. This forum has a lot of good stuff written over the years I've been here along with various available resources. If you are not already - get in contact with a Vet Center in your neck of the woods. They have many Combat Vets that are therapists and know our issues.

Ba (Danang - CHB 2 (US naval Cargo Handling Battalion TWO (9th MEB))
 
Welcome Home Johnny! and welcome to the forum - thank you for your service. Good to have another squid in our mist.



Don't hold your breath brother - better, maybe manageable at best. The Beast (PTSD) is like a open wound that refuses to completely close and on occasion re-opens when you least expect it. We don't talk about stuff for 40+ years and it festers and festers. We deal with it by burying ourselves in work, family, booze, drugs and of course denial along with a whole host of comforting distractions. Yup, it works for a while, then the wheels come off the cart.

That's how it was for me, I arrived home in 1966 after 16 months in-country, like you I'm still grateful to be on the right side of the grass. Even though I can manage the beast with the help of other Vietnam Vets at the Vet Center everyday I await for the other shoe to drop - Agent Orange. Too many cancers to list here and so far have dodged a few close calls. In the end I can say I fought the good fight, today I got the beast by the short hairs.


I know it all so well - along with the guilt. Don't let the VA rent space in your head. C&P's and claims process do not have any healing components just aggravation. There are a few of us 'Old Nam Shits' that hang our hats here so feel free to PM if you have off-line issues. I have no solutions, only what works for me. This forum has a lot of good stuff written over the years I've been here along with various available resources. If you are not already - get in contact with a Vet Center in your neck of the woods. They have many Combat Vets that are therapists and know our issues.

Ba (Danang - CHB 2 (US naval Cargo Handling Battalion TWO (9th MEB))
 
I just take it a day at a time....some days I will be sociable, other days I stay to myself. I find our squadron reunions to be the best healer, when a bunch of old helo heads get together...we really do not need to say much, just bask in the comradeship we have shared since those days.
Who knows we may have crossed paths in Danang, we would fly in for supplies, or bring in some in need of medical attention that was beyond what the flight surgeons could treat.
Thanks for your in depth reply.
 
While you were at Danang in '68, I was in Ban Me Thout and countries above with the 20th SOS. I was CSAR, PJ, USAF.

You said it well, how it was and the feelings you carry with you. I just agonized through the movie Lone Survivor. Tears came rolling when I heard the officer say in the TOC, I want every CSAR available to save that man. I am still affected by it.

Don't do what I did. Stay away from those kind of movies and shows however curious you get.

Welcome. Lot of old guys like me here.
 
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