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Other On-going traumatic relationship disorder- anyone else think they might have this?

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I was simply pointing out the distinct differences between socio/psychopaths and people on the spectrum.
I was trying to be very clear so as not to stigmatized people on the spectrum as having no empathy.
Of course there is a great deal of variance.
That is why it's a spectrum.
But there is a reason people end up with the diagnosis, and it's not because they lack empathy, which.is the distinction I was trying to.make.
Sorry I'm having a lot of trouble with the fonts.
It is on my.phone and it just won't stop
 
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Disagreed, on both counts.

Analyzing & mimicking in any sort of environment just doesn't mean it'll be co...
I really object to the perception of "those dignified .....etc psychopaths.
Wow, way to misconstrue.
I've lived it, my views are valid.
You construing them in such a way is your own doing.
 
Makes sense & I appreciate the clarification @mumstheword. :)
Phew, thank goodness.
I freaked out for a minute there.
If anything, my Aspi Dad is the genius I got my own from.
My socio ex lacks a huge amount of cognition that my Dad is hugely endowed with.
My ex may crave adoration and have a certain manipulative astuteness, but my Aspi Dad is kind and also very psychologically savvy, just pretty awkward in putting it into practise.
 
Just an update; After processing some of the emotional issues around my Aspi Dad by getting it out in the open here, I rang him. And it's been months after telling him I needed space from him as he was "too implicated in my trauma" my words.
It was a good conversation. He is a good man, just a man who's suffered socially, hugely and had a lot of depression and social awkwardness.
He told me that my sister and I were the reason he didn't "top himself" his words.
 
Yes, I have lived with and cared for….

"these people."

At the end of the day, people are people and we all have perceived deficits.

My Dad is a caring person. I know that. He still left me in a very unsafe, harmful environment for many, many years and did not or could not respond.
He has finally acknowledged my suffering and I forgive him for any and all neglect and cowardice and lack-of-respons-ability.

We are good. I have a big heart and lots of empathy. He has Aspergers and fumbles and mumbles and awkwardly ineptly extends emotional support, with lots of opportunities to do so and graciousness on my part.

I acknowledge his strengths and see into the gentle, kind, intelligent and deeply moral soul that he is.
As a traumatized chld, I was left out in the cold, now that I'm learning to parent and self-care myself, I have more energy to parent my somewhat perpetually childlike and yet old man fuddy duddy daddy.
I say this with much affection.
 
Love this post. Goose bumps and tears, and hope. Big step you took with that conversation. A brid...
What a heartfelt response. Thank you.

Sometimes I get so overwhelmed by this level of kindness, care and empathy that i freeze up and don't know how to respond.

But I am deeply touched and appreciative to receive a response that demonstrates such warmth and emotion.

I had been.feeling so guilty about how I stopped communication with my Dad, a few months ago, after a pretty shtty couple of years (who am I kidding my.life's been.relentlessly difficult for ever but...) 3 miscarriages in a row, nursing my autistic son back from totally psychotic manic shattered land (I have been there at the hands of the same person who instigated his shattering), two other suicidal sons, my youngest one who was self harming, suicidal ideations and thinks he's psychopathic, I was still badly estranged from many of my children due to sociopath dad trying to cover himself in nasty lies, to the kids, about me; so I just found, after the last loss at 3 months in July, I had no energy for tip toeing around my Dad's fragile sense of self and self focused expectations of me.

He doesn't know a lot of what I've been through and isn't good at responding . Plus he was adding pressure and expectations I couldn't live up to.

Anyway, the phone call let him know that I understand that he has not been in a very empowered position to give me what I was angry that he hasn't given me as a child.
He is utterly off the hook.

And the fact that I got an acknowledgement from him was HUGE for me. I told him I wanted to attend the Trauma clinic and he agreed that that would be good because I have been through a lot of trauma.

I feel validated and vindicated and seen by him, as never before.

It just gives further evidence to me, that although people on the spectrum appear less empathetic, often they are just having the hardest time, socially, themselves, and knowing how to respond with the right kind of emotionally-driven response is tough.

I have no doubts at all now, though, that my Aspi Daddy loves me very deeply.
I'm still not up for having him up for his usual Christmas time two week stay though.
But at least I am talking to him again.​
 
Thoughts and feelings of an Aspie.

mumstheword, I greatly sympathise with the long term pain you must have felt living around family members with Aspergers - in my experience the vast majority of Allistics have little to no understanding of the condition (not meaning to imply that you don't, it doesn't matter as it is still a trial whether you do, or not) and continually expect me to be able to respond typically to social cues and situations regardless of seemingly endless attempts to explain that I'm not wired the same way, that I may need clarification and a second go at it, if I am unable to correctly interpret the subtleties of normal social interaction.

I confess, without malice, that I became quite upset as I read the article, 'Stunning Example of Lack of Empathy' - to me, it read very much as extreme bias toward a different neurology.. I felt discriminated against by this author, walled into a false position from which this self supporting article brooks no escape.

Having read the whole thread, I thought it worth mentioning that, if Allistics find such a situation emotionally draining (and I don't doubt that they do), then what must it be like for the lone Aspie, surrounded by, and constantly having to interact with, people he/she wants desperately to relate to, but who will not reciprocate (I don't mean that as a blanket statement as I have, on rare occasion, met Allistics willing to make the effort).

For me, every day I step outside my door, every encounter I have, is an event fraught with terror, the expectation of rejection by yet another member of your race, of which I am nominally a member by dint of genetics, but which shuns me and forces me into perpetual isolation. My diagnoses of anxiety, depression, PTSD, my experiences of abuse at the hands of predatory narcissists, and my inability to form friendships or have relationships, are all the result of the general subconscious Human response to difference combined with my inability to manage that.

I was then brought to tears to read of your success in building bridges with your father, as much for your own healing as his. Your post brought to mind my own daily fear that I might not be an adequate father to my young son, that I may be unable to provide the emotional support he needs as he grows, as he strives to fit in with his own peers. What advice can I give him, how can I help him when he wants to form intimate relationships.. what is it like to feel loved, to be held when you cry, to have a mate to share experiences with and who knows you to your soul. I may never have the opportunity to experience these things and I may never be able to support my son through his own.

I would ask you, with love, to be careful of unproven diagnoses and the personal opinions of others.

I must also thank you, from my heart, for sharing your experiences and being willing and open to discussing this subject - it is only through reaching out to one another that we can work toward an understanding of ourselves, and how best to work at our relationships with those we care about so much.
 
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