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Parenting With Ptsd

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I just read on another website that people with PTSD are more likely to physically and mentally abuse their children! I would never abuse my child, never have, and would never think of doing so. In fact, he's a little too protected, loved very much, and adored. What do you think? What a statistic to post. That makes it look like we can't parent well. I'm a little upset by that article.
 
I think I saw the research you mention secret. I saw another one that theorised that children of mothers with PTSD were exposed to higher level of traumatic experiences and I have been meaning to find out if they were the same research or not. The way research is discussed can distort the results a lot I find and I tend to wait until I have read the actual research myself before deciding.

The second lot of research was a very small sample group so seemed faulty. It seems much more likely to me that it is rather a case of the children being exposed to more trauma in general rather than being abused by the parent themselves. Lets say for example the woman makes bad choices in partners and ends up in abusive relationships herself then the children will often be exposed.

Many of us would never ever harm a child in any way at all. I certainly would never have. I would probably have made other mistakes such as enabling them in certain ways but never anything abusive.

I suspect PTSD could make people go either way. Overly careful not to do harm or acting out in anger and ending up abusive themselves.

Can you post a link to the article?
 
You sound like a great parent secret. You should be proud. I find it hard when I see any generalisations about those with PTSD being violent or abusive. Firstly I am not and secondly I have dedicated masses of energy ensuring I am not. Therefore I find these references offensive.
 
I have read many articles about how parents with my particular diagnoses are at an increase likelihood of being abusive or neglectful. Reading that hurt. I felt like the articles were saying that I personally couldn't be a good mom. That was completely reactionary and obviously my own insecurities bubbling up. I had to take a step back and try to look at things more objectively.

Humans and our relationships are complex. I am wonder if the article you read specifically said that having ptsd is the cause of the parents being abusive or that having ptsd increases the chances of abuse? There are a lot of things that increase the potential for someone to become abusive or neglectful. Being a victim of violence is one of them. It also a main cause of ptsd. I wonder if we can also reverse the statement too. Is it possible that parents who are abusive are more likely to develop ptsd? Could they both have a root cause and therefor independently occur?

I have my ptsd from being beat by my dad. That messed with my head so much that I put myself even more dangerous situations that led to me being a victim of other violent crimes. My father was beat by his parents who were also beat by their parents. It would not surprise me in the least if my dad were to be evaluated and diagnosed with ptsd as well. I wholeheartedly believe that my dad didn't know any other way to be. I also don't think there would have been any way for me to have broken that cycle without outside help. I took many many classes on just how to be a human being. It is totally possible to have ptsd and be a good parent but it also takes additional effort and self awareness.

Just because a study says something is more likely doesn't mean it is always the case. When my kids were very little I read about a study that indicated the children with a stay at home parent were more likely to miss out on important socialization and then have a lower social status when they do start school. Today my kids are the ones other parents want their kids to be around so their kids can pick up some great social skills.
 
Just because a study says something is more likely doesn't mean it is always the case.
You put that all very well Candleflames.

For example I think statistics of those in prison with PTSD are around 10 % when in there with a lifetime rate of around 25 %. If we look at The States again then there are around 8 % of the population on the whole with PTSD at any one time. So around 2 % more in a prison community from what I can remember.

I think we have to be careful as a lot of us are prone to black and white thinking. Are you thinking in your mind 90 percent rather than the reality. Its important information when there is an increase as it helps them look at new treatment and monitoring but that isn't the same as saying most people with PTSD will abuse their child.

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It seems they are about the same research which I suspected. Mothers with PTSD and not depression had their children experience 5 traumatic events. Mothers with both 3.5. Mothers with just depression 1.2 and mothers with neither 1.4. There were 5 mothers with PTSD and 10 mothers with both out of the 97.

I think anything that increases knowledge about how to keep children safe and where there are vulnerable areas is good and is important. The most dangerous situation is probably where someone has no personal insight whatsover and has never been diagnosed. We are all individuals at the end of the day and statistics are always only part of the story.

I wouldn't have abuses a child but I certainly could have made many decisions that could have put them in harms way on a secondary front.

Here is a more complete discussion about it,: Maternal PTSD linked to children's trauma
The children of mothers with posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD) may be at high risk of being traumatized themselves, according to a small new study in urban U.S. neighborhoods.
Inner-city kids whose mothers had PTSD experienced more traumatic events - such as neighborhood shootings, domestic violence, dog bites or car accidents - before age five than kids whose mothers were depressed or had no mental health issues, researchers found.

Mothers with a combination of PTSD and depression were also more likely to report psychologically or physically abusing their child, compared to mothers with just one of those disorders. "The main take-home message is that when parents are suffering, their children suffer, too," said Dr. Howard Dubowitz, professor of pediatrics at University of Maryland School of Medicine in Baltimore. "Those of us who are involved in helping to take care of kids can't ignore what problems mothers and fathers may be struggling with," added Dubowitz, who was not involved in the study.

Children exposed to trauma are themselves at greater risk of a mix of health challenges later on in life, such as obesity, drug and alcohol addictions, heart disease, suicide and mental health disorders, experts said.

"Everyone's been putting the focus on depression, even though PTSD and depression run together," said the study's lead author Claude Chemtob, director of NYU Langone Medical Center's family trauma research program.

He and his colleagues recruited 97 mothers with children between the ages three and five years old from Mount Sinai School of Medicine's pediatric primary care clinics in New York City to participate in the study.

Most mothers were from ethnic minority groups and had high school diplomas. The women all completed questionnaires designed to detect depression or PTSD symptoms. They also answered questions about violent events their children had witnessed.

The majority of mothers were not clinically depressed or suffering from PTSD, Chemtob's group reports in JAMA Pediatrics. Of the 97 mothers, 11 had diagnosable depression, six had PTSD and 10 had a combination of both.

Chemtob pointed out that the study population had slightly elevated levels of depression and PTSD diagnoses compared to national averages.

The researchers also found that mothers with PTSD and depression reported far greater parenting stress. "In short, their experience of parenting is that it is more difficult and less rewarding," Chemtob said. Last year the American Academy of Pediatrics urged pediatricians to take steps to reduce childhood "toxic stress" that can occur when parents or caregivers suffer from poor mental health.In the current study, the children of mothers with PTSD
witnessed an average of five traumatic events.

Their peers whose mothers were only depressed or had no mood disorder experienced an average of only one traumatic event. A third group of kids with mothers suffering both PTSD and depression experienced nearly four events. Previous research suggests that nearly half of women with PTSD may also suffer from depression.

"We know that the effects of maternal mental health difficulties can be especially problematic in early life, from pregnancy to age 5," Michelle Bosquet of Boston Children's Hospital in Massachusetts told Reuters Health in an email.

Bosquet, who was not involved in the new study, added that much previous research has focused only on depression and less is known about how PTSD may influence parenting.

Researchers noted that the study is limited by its small size.

"These results have been found among certain families," Dubowitz said. Future studies could look for the same results in different populations, such as whites, he said. The authors encourage screening mothers for PTSD alongside depression in pediatric primary care settings. "This might be an effective way to intervene on child maltreatment," Chemtob told Reuters Health.

In his research on child abuse, Dubowitz has created a questionnaire for parents to complete before arriving for a pediatric appointment. It contains two questions to detect depressive symptoms. "It may be most efficient to use just two questions to identify possible depression, and, in so doing, identify parents with that condition and … help them get evaluated," Dubowitz said.

"Aside from time, and time is very important, there is the whole challenge of changing health professionals' practice and behavior," he said.

So note that it was a sample from a disadvantaged area. That they specifically mention children witnessing traumatic event rather than being directly abused and that the means of assessing if they had PTSD and depression was very basic.
 
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Absolutely not. I have raised 5 children and am not abusive. My children are grown now and I know they respect what I have had to offer them.

I am going to have to point out that the fact that you reacted in the way you did indicates clearly to me that you are a good parent who cares about their child(ren). If you fell under the umbrella of abusive parent that article wouldn't have even phased you.

I really feel it is important that we all see that if we can attach to something good - or react and recoil to something bad - that we have morals and values that serve others well. Especially our children. And lucky are those that have us as friends as we are loyal as the day is long.

Love and light
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