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Parents Implying I Can Choose Not To Be Ill

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My mother hasn't been speaking to me because I asked her to acknowledge her part in some past events where she and my father (step dad, not abusive) have tromped all over my triggers and acted extremely inappropriately then refused to take any responsibility for what occurs.

I've been writing occasionally as she's never actually responded to this, just cut off contact.

Today she actually, actually said this: I do have a deep and abiding understanding that my actions and those of your biological father (past, present and future) have a bearing on your life. But I also understand that this will be the case only so long as you choose that it should be so.

My biological father is the source of my original trauma, being abused by him and an Organized Pedophile Ring for over 6 years. Um... just... o_0??

Ah, I see, I'll stop having PTSD and CFS and Fibro the minute I choose not to let their actions affect me... Unh-huh. Yeah.
 
I the mother of a 33 year old dependant so I should probably keep my mouth shut...

I am beginning to see shades of elder abuse on the horizon. He is already physically bigger and stronger than I am. His vengeance drive is still escalating. Punishing me for having mental health issues is his only focus in life and girl-howdy is he good at it. When I attempt to make amends, he turns it into justification for another round of vengeance.

Can parents run away from home?
 
Hey DeathRay

It's sad, really, that people will never get it. More so the ones closest to us that we expect to have understanding and support. That said, you can't do anything about another persons inability or unwillingness to even try to understand what you're going through. Not a psychologist but it sounds like a bit of passive manipulation on her part to put it all on you. Perhaps because she shares some guilt, as well in what happened to you.

I know it's difficult but try not to get mired in what happened. I'm suggesting that you forget it or that you even try to. What I'm saying is for you to do those things that help you to heal and move forward. Therapy and support groups are a great way if you haven't started that as yet.

We can't change our pasts but can make our futures better. Do that for yourself, you deserve that.

JarHed
 
@arfie that sounds terrible, I'm so sorry you're in that situation. I have no idea what to say to help and be supportive other than it's not oaky and I hope there's support available for you. You have all my empathy.
 
Hey DeathRay
Perhaps because she shares some guilt, as well in what happened to you.

Yes -- she has massive unresolved guilt issues and I think this is her way of handling that. In a 'if it's my responsibility I'm still ill, she doesn't need to feel responsible' way. This is all, of course, full of complex backstory, but I'm so exhausted by it that I didn't feel up to laying it all out, you know?

I know it's difficult but try not to get mired in what happened. I'm suggesting that you forget it or that you even try to. What I'm saying is for you to do those things that help you to heal and move forward. Therapy and support groups are a great way if you haven't started that as yet.

Thanks so much -- I work really hard at my mental and physical health. I'm on meds, in therapy (steadily the past 5 years) and have a great support network. It's just my parents that have utterly rejected me. I suppose it's the discrepancy between my life and how I'm valued and hoe they perceive and treat me that makes it difficult. To them I'm this source of shame, this embarrassment and location of guilt. I'm afraid they are just going to cut contact until they pass away (they are in their 60/70's now) and I feel sad for them :(
 
@rightkindofme

Thank you -- I do 'know' that, but my mom is probably the hardest person to resist getting into my head. Plus she's stubborn. This is her stance and she hasn't shifted it for years, just has never been this direct about it. So I still need to hear other people tell me that it's not an okay thing to say to me. And that I can't just 'fix myself' by deciding it's not going to effect me anymore.
 
@DeathRay - I've received that a lot from my mother as well - In part, my mother was right. I was, on some level, blaming her...holding her responsible...for not being there when I needed her. To be honest, in my case, I was simply holding her to an unrealistic standard. Here is the interesting thing, though...

Once I finally let go of that..redirection of anger, I realized how much of an actual source of many of my new stresses and anxiety she was, not in the past, but in the here and now. It was making it very hard not to drink, and impossible to keep my family together.

It was a very painful process, but I eventually removed her talons from my back, and for the past six months I have not said a word to her. I know she is safe, healthy, and I know how to contact her. Other than that, I need her out of my life to get better. So far it has yielded positive results.

Sometime (and I hope sometime soon) I suspect we will patch things up. I'm no longer angry with her, rationally or not, and the measure of peace I have found during this period is something I haven't felt in a long time. I am nervous about bringing her back into my life, but I really won't know for sure if either of us have changed until I'm willing to make that step.

A point that just came to me, something I'd like to share...Whenever I use a word like "angry" my first thought is, "What scared me so much to make me feel this rage?" In my case, it was the fear that with her out of my life, for better or for worse, I lost my "safety net." Regardless of how...ineffective she often was in this regard, I knew that I would not be able to "run to mom," if you will, anymore. Even with a wife and kids I still felt like I was suddenly alone.

It turned out I can do okay on my own. Better with my family though, but I can survive on my own. It was very empowering after I was able to take those first steps.
 
Death Ray,
I want to congratulate you. You have accomplished the first step, getting her to admit her actions contributed to your suffering. the next step is to educate her. It is time to teach her that PTSD cannot be wished away. It takes time, therapy and familial support.

You can give her some information showing that PTSD is both phschological and physicologial. Show her that their are ligimate long-term effects from abuse, and it takes time to overcome them.

Another thing to consider is you mom still being in denial that there is really something wrong with you.
I hope things work out for you.
 
@jd9900

Thanks so much for sharing -- though I'd never want anyone else to experience it, the fact that others go through similar things is always so reassuring. I've had similar experiences, for myself, in having not spoken to her for the last almost a year. I've learned that I can actually work through the upset and insecurity over my dysfunctional relationship with her, and separate, as you say, the bits where I am responsible or holding on to past issues and the bits where she is having.has had a detrimental impact on my life.

Similarly, after the event that brought this all to a head, I had to go through a process of understanding that I wouldn't be able to heal and move forward if we kept interacting in the way we were, if her words and actions were allowed to keep impacting me.

It's also a revelation to see @RussH say that I've finally accomplished something, and they're right -- there's at least a tacit acceptance that her actions HAVE affected me. And I did send off a bunch of links and advice back, even though she's basically said she doesn't want to hear from me.

At least, even if she never speaks to me again, I know I can be okay without her and dad. It just seems so sad for them to choose this path. :(
 
I feel your pain--we are in the same boat. It's hard to give up trying to get what you missed out on from family members who were responsible to provide it. But the stark reality is, I've found, that wasting your life, time, energy, and sanity, waiting around in your adulthood, for someone to provide something they never showed any likilhood of providing, even when their obligation was more obvious, in your youth---is rarely a winning proposition.

Have you ever heard the term "Cut your losses?" It's not just that easy, I know. Especially if your illness makes you dependent on her financial support. And we all would like to think, in our heart of hearts, that "blood is thicker than water", after all--that our particular family unit is somehow magical, and so impervious to factors which would break it apart--and so render us with a feeling of 'it's all been just a waste of time', and "I guess I was just a mistake, after all, if it never meant any more than this". Maybe not conscious thoughts, but unconscious conclusions, all too often.

But at some point the pain exceeds the pleasure--by a long shot. Unfortunately, by that point, the pain of beating your head against that wall for years can have taken an even greater toll than it already has. Isn't it better to arrive at a rational, intellecutally weighed decision, before that point? I sure wish I had. I know that.

And that's not to say that things will never change, and that any distance you choose to place between yourself and such abuse (yes, abuse) is permanent, and irrevocable. Often, what the abuser needs, as well, is some distance--for a chance to get out of "warrior mode" themselves, and so get a little room in order to let the stress die down for them, as well, so as to not just lash out in reflex whenever they feel any threat approaching.

I think in lots of situations like that, by the time it reaches a certain point, the two of you aren't even recognizing the material being discussed, or proposed anymore--you've just come to see each other as figures representing a threat to be resisted or attacked. When you reach that point, you could be telling her that the grass is green, and only expect a violently shouted "NO IT'S NOT!" in response.

To continue to belabor the point beyond that stage, is actually to do disservice to the point you're attempting to make, yourself. You're just contaminating any future attempts at actually getting it heard, by making her feel threatened by it now--until she no longer even sees the point, or hears the words--just flashes to an image of a weapon, and reflexively parries. When it degenerates into Me vs You, for the sake of the win, alone...there's no hope of winning at all. And further attempts at a later date are tainted by her associations with your point as only a weapon intended for use in her destruction at this earlier date. In other words, you can seal that door shut irrevocably, if you beat on it too hard, too early.

My mother is around the same age--and not to be either "ageist" or sexist--but I heard someone quote...someone else...recently (wish I could remember who either party was, now, but I'm brain-fogging)--"It's just like a gracious older woman...she'll do whatever she's asked...as long as it's exactly what she wants" (don't remember what they were referring to, now, either).

But point being, it's not exactly unusual for people to become more stubborn as they age. It's just not. And trying to overcome stubborness by "breaking it down' with force"--well, you get my meaning. If they were committed to stubborness before, they're only going to become that much more invested in it, when opposed forcefully. Or another quote "A person convinced against their will, is of the same opinion, still". And as long as she sees you as the enemy, just attacking her....she's never going to even WANT to agree with you, on principle.

And no one ever agreed with someone they didn't WANT to agree with, in the first place, based on the person involved. Even if it's a matter of the grass plainly being green.

So "Break! Fighters go to your own corners!!" (referee's call at the end of a boxing round). Take a breather. Give her one, too.
You'll both not only be better for it, and more likely to hear each other later...but at least you won't be "swinging yourselves tired", while at the same time you're "beating your head against that wall."

You know you're right. You just do. That's obvious. Why wouldn't you? You've got medical professionals, with the whole white-coat get up, and fancy papers framed on their walls--telling you so. Where'd your mom go to medical school? See?

In other words...what does it really matter what any layperson thinks about your condition? Does that change it? How does it even matter? I mean, I know, it's the principle, and what not. That is important, after all--getting a sense of "rectitude" of finally setting things right, and getting some sense of justification, a little power back, etc. But how's that workin' out for you, just now? Your arms gettin' tired yet?

And yes, I said abuse, earlier. Denying someone who has received a legitimate diagnosis from an appropriate medical professional--is abuse. And blaming you for having it, as a matter of "not being good enough" to just get over it. Abuse abuse abuse.

True, all of that. But in what universe does a logical appeal to an abuser, someone by nature abusive--usually result in their very reasonably saying "Oh, well....I never thought about it that way...now that you mention it. Yeah, I guess maybe I should consider not banging your head against this wall anymore". Right. Not bloody likely.

So whether it's a matter of her just being in "cornered animal defense mode", or instead a matter of her just being a "standard callous abuser:--or some combination of the two--how exactly do you benefit from further cornering her at this point...or continuing to let her figuratively beat your head against the wall, while you try to reason with her, rationally? Where's your end in all that?

It's hard to see things anything like clearly where family's concerned--especially ma. That's like the hottest button most deeply installed.

But even if you can't choose your family, you can still choose how you let them affect you. And sometimes it's only a bad choice between a bad choice, and a worse choice. But as soon as you see the one you need to stay healthy--go with it sooner, rather than later.That's all I'm sayin'.

I have CPTSD (prolonged trauma, throughout childhood), PTSD (physical trauma, incidental to attacks, near death experiences-multiple), GAD, SAD, ADD, Agoraphobia, panic disorder, and have had a stroke that's paralyzed half of my face, and eyelids, and prevents me from making any eye contact.

My mother still refuses to believe it's anything more than a "lack of willpower, and personal weakness". That when I mention any difficulties whatsoever, I'm just "a whiner". Go figure. Right?

Is it my problem?...I've got enough problems. It's actually kind of funny, when you think about it: I think I'VE got problems? She's the one with problems--reality problems. And that's not my problem.

Glad you posted somewhere people will understand. Sounds like you need that right now. PTSD and other trauma-related diagnoses are not just "psychological", they're neurophysiological. Newer brain scans (fMRI, for example) confirm this. All she needs to do is read a book. If she won't...that's not your problem. SO quit bangin' your head against it. THAT'S a problem you can control.

All the best, and keep your chin up. We're behind ya.
 
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