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Relationship Ptsd...or Him? ...or Me?

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Cheerios007

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I've read through a few other threads in here, but I decided to post my own thread instead of jacking someone else's thread with my essay reply.

I've been dating a man with PTSD for 2 years. I've been in military relationships and have military parents, so I was fortunate enough to already know a little about PTSD, and in general, living with someone in and recently out of the military.

I happened to find my bf after he had sort of...been through it all, so to say. He loves to tell stories about his life, and it's easy to see just through them how he has been affected and changed not just from the military, but from his injuries and PTSD.

Within 6 months of the relationship we had both seen our best sides and our worst sides, so if I wanted to get out then, I could have. But I didn't, despite the lowest lows. He's had a few really bad times since then, and I've done my best to accommodate him through either my absence or my presence.

So...what we're at here now is 2 years in, and another fight surfacing. I know the signs. I was just at his place for about a week, where life was bliss, as it normally is when we're in person. I leave, and issues start. I accidentally interject too early in his sentence, I forgot to mail something out the first day back at home, I misunderstand something and he has to repeat himself, I go totally absent minded or get distracted by someone else while on the phone and he has to repeat himself... Some days he can handle it, but some days his anger shoots through the roof...he gets VERY mad when he has to repeat himself...repeatedly.

I'm just... I don't think I can fight for us through another fight. The last fight we had was explosive, ending in him throwing all of my stuff out of his apartment because of a huge misunderstanding over him telling me he loved me for the first time. And when I told him I wasn't leaving he cradled me and held me and thanked me for not leaving. I know he wants me in his life, I know we love each other, but I don't know if I can stay in a relationship where I feel like the entire thing rests on my shoulders. What -I- do that irritates him, what -I- do that angers him, what -I- do that causes issues, and what I'm willing to do to keep us together.

The reason I ask if it's just me...is that I know I have problems, too. I have ADHD with severe memory problems at times, and I am sometimes hard of hearing. To the point that last night, when he texted that this was the second night he was going to bed annoyed, I can not for the life of me remember what happened the previous night that would make that the second night. But a week from now, I'll remember. I know that can be hard on any relationship...

I've tried to explain to him my problems...but I just don't think he understands. It is to the point that we had a serious discussion about me going to a clinical trial for adults with ADHD. (Not for his sake, but for me) He wasn't very supportive, as he doesn't like medications, but I told him it's something that I need to try and I would appreciate if he would just keep an open mind and try to let me know what changes he sees if I do in fact get into the trial. I brought it up a second time, as I have a screening appointment on the 25th, and he seemed to have forgotten that we talked about it and kept asking 'why'. I don't use the term very often, but I think this counts as irony...

What is really hurting is that I have explained to him my memory issues, my inability to focus, and things like that, and he doesn't seem to retain that information. The next time I forget to do something, like that package, it's 'Your procrastinating is going to ruin your daughter's life, like putting off sending that package, she's not going to be prepared for school...' so on and so fourth. He tends to think the worst and lump everything in this detrimental pile of bad traits and purposeful neglect on my part.

But...he apologizes to me, he tries to explain himself, he tries to understand, but it comes in such rare talks of his faults and what they are doing to me, him, and the relationship, that it feels like too little, too late.

I've been in abusive relationships, both family and lover, including emotional, verbal, physical, and mental abuse. I know I've been in denial before... I truly do not think he is intentionally abusing me in any way, shape, or form. I don't think he gets off on my guilt or sadness, or revels in watching me fight for us while he pulls strings to make me do it, or anything of the sort. I'm just not sure if his attitude is caused by his PTSD, or if it's him just being mean/exaggerating and insensitive.

I understand that disconnect, distance, and negative thoughts are a part of PTSD. That depression, mood swings, and emotional instability are part of it, too. As an aspiring therapist and someone with a sensitive sense of empathy, I truly do try to understand what he is going through, what I do that affects him, what our lives do to exacerbate our conditions...

But at the end of the day, I'm wondering if it might be best for us if we discontinue our relationship. He has said many times that I am his muse, and I am his sanity... However, as I've seen people say in regards to relationships with people with PTSD, at some point you have to put your own sanity ahead of theirs. I've never said to myself, 'Just one more week, and we'll see if it gets better' or 'I'll wait until he isn't as upset so nothing bad happens.' so I'm not just perpetuating some relationship I've been wishing to end for some long time... But I do fear for his safety, and the safety of those around him should I leave him.

When I'm at home, I unintentionally become unreachable at times...leaving my phone in another room, the house is large and loud and there are times I'm doing things where I can't glue my phone to my face. After a particularly long day of running around and leaving my phone in various places, I will have multiple missed calls from him. Last week when I was at his house he told me about a nightmare he had... That I had gone home, and he was in his kitchen and had somehow fell and landed on a knife that went through his skull. As a medic, he knew that he wasn't coming back from that, so he didn't even bother calling 911. Instead, he called me...over, and over, and over, and over again, and I never answered. He said that he didn't really want to tell me about that nightmare...and I feel like his fears of being abandoned cause him to push me away, which is commonly discussed about PTSD.

On top of that, my daughter (no relation to him) absolutely adores him, and he is an amazing parental figure to her most of the time. (She does not call him daddy or any of that weird stuff, but she does tell him she loves him)

His post-military attitude, without considering the PTSD, causes him to push a lot of people away. We've had a very hard time making friends, and I am the only person he regularly speaks to or interacts with in a positive manner.

I don't...know...what to do. I couldn't possibly be more understanding, there isn't a talk we can have that will end well unless it is the final talk and I've decided to leave...there isn't a change I could, should, or shouldn't have made that will help... I can't fix my problems without medication, and I can't go on medication without causing an issue between us solely by choosing to take medication.

Speaking of talks, it is SO hard to talk to him... It's like walking on eggshells. He hates liars, and he wants the truth, so when I bring things up to him that have been bothering me it always gets turned on me. Why didn't I say it sooner, why have I been acting fine if it bothers me so much, why don't I leave if I bother him. I said one time that he was saying stupid a little too much that day, even if it was jokes (cause we thrive on playing with each other, laughter is our medicine), and for the next freaking week if he ever said it at all he was like, 'Oh, whoops, is that laying it on too thick?' or 'Oh no, I said the s word, but it was just a joke!'

I've spent nearly the whole day typing this up, trying to get my thoughts together, trying to think it over... In that time, he has called me and talked about his day, and clearly is in a much better mood, because the VA is finally starting his dental work and he managed to get good, friendly dentists...which means the fight is probably off.

But the question(s) still stands... Is it PTSD or is he just a mean person? I mean, he has a jerk-like demeanor when he's playing, but that's his thing... Should I just suck it up, prepare for the worst, and have some big talk with him? I have never demanded or asked him to change, although I know he has changed some things as everyone does in a relationship, but... I don't know. I honestly have no idea. Maybe this thread was more about getting it off my chest somewhere, because I think the truth is there is no advice or answer for coping with an injured veteran with PTSD, you either can or you can't.

I'll stop rambling on, now. Heh.
 
I'm so sorry to say after reading your post, I am wondering what attracted you to this man in the first place? You've laid it all out and seem clearheaded. I'm exhausted just hearing about his needs, his need, his needs. What about your needs?
 
In all that you wrote, you didn't mention if he's getting any help dealing with his PTSD. The way you describe him, it seems entirely possible that that is the main problem, but it's not going to just magically go away and YOU can't fix it.

I have PTSD myself, and have been getting help dealing with it for just over a year. It continues to amaze me, how much it effects how I see the world. Chances are, in my case, I've had it for so long I don't have a concept of "before", so I can't say much about how it changed me. I had a good friend, though, who served 2 tours in Iraq and 1 in Afghanistan. He came back from the first tour with PTSD, I'm pretty sure. Went several years without being diagnosed. I could really see a change in him. It was amazing. If I'd met him "after", we probably never would have been friends. Because I knew him "before", I never quite gave up on him. He didn't get good help and he, eventually, gave up on himself. I'd hate to see this guy go down the same road!

If he can't see that HE has a problem or if he won't make an effort to deal with it, I don't know that there's much you can do. Working on HIS problem is HIS responsibility. You can offer support, you can love him, but you can't do the work. (Sometimes its' good to have someone in your life who can safely say "Hey DumbA$$ you're acting like a jerk, get a grip!". But, he has to listen, at that point.)
 
So sorry you are going through this. :hug:

Is it you? Him? PTSD? I don't know. It's not a symptom of PTSD to be a jerk. Some of what you describe can be badly handled PTSD, some of what you describe is him being mean and very controlling.

You can't change him, you can only change you. I agree with others that it's time to have a conversation with him and tell him what's not ok.

You can tell him what you need to change in order for you to stay, and that you will leave the relationship if things don't change. It is very ok and healthy to set and communicate boundaries you have around how he should be treating you, PTSD or not. I think it is especially important in relationships with people with PTSD to keep and hold good boundaries.

I would not recommend staying whatsoever unless he gets treatment AND shows substantial change in certain behaviors. With the amount of verbal abuse he is throwing at you, I think that leaving sounds pretty dang reasonable. I'm quite concerned he gets so upset when you make choices for you to address your own needs, like your choice to take meds for your ADHD. He seems extremely controlling, insecure, and like he is bullying you for something that is very much your choice. It's heartbreaking that you feel so stressed to talk to him and like you have to walk in eggshells.

You deserve so much better. Tolerating him doing this kind of stuff isn't actually even helpful for him. Without his commitment to treatment and change, you are almost enabling him.

I know you really love and care about him, and that this is hard to endure and figure out. I also believe you already know what you need to do.
 
I both have PTSD & ADHD-c ... So from that perspective:

At a certain point "Is it ADHD or her"? Is just kind of meaningless. You can't separate out the two. I'm part and parcel myself. There are things that I can do which moderate or bring out the strengths instead of the weaknesses, but not 100%. There is something very ADHD about me every single day. Because that's my brain, and I usually don't walk off and forget it. Although, being ADHD, if possible? I probably would. But whether it's reading microexpressions, or making weird connections between things ("The most exciting phrase to hear in Science is not Eureka, but 'Huh. That's funny.'"), or doing a headlong dive into hedonism, or beating myself up over an event 25 years past, or, or, or, or. Meds or no meds. It's simply part of who I am.

At a certain point "Is it PTSD or is it her? Is just as meaningless. Just like with ADHD there are things I can do that make it better or worse... But it's always still around. It's an adaptation my brain is simply thrilled with, while my mind and I disagree. I had a wicked good decade, and I still had stuff coming up on a fairly regular basis. It was just stuff I was okay with (Who needs sleep, anyway? Or September?).

The meaningful part, to me at least, is defining normal. Okay, so we've got this as a baseline of normal (to include highs and lows). Is that something I can gel with? Is that something that I can get excited about their ups while being happy with normal? Or am I always going to be wanting them to be different? Because that's unfair to each of us.
 
KwanYingirl:

It's not ALL the time... Considering his worst days, I felt that going on and on and on about our great days would just seem like I was defending his actions, and I'm going back and fourth enough in my head. Ha...

As far as my needs go, the most I ask of him is a shoulder to cry on when something is just...bad. Or someone dies. And he provides that. He holds me and whatnot... He listens when I want to rant or talk...it's when he responds that issues start... Oh...I feel like if I keep on this it'll be another essay just in one response so I think I'll hit the next poster.

scout86:

He is not. He had a caseworker from the VA who came weekly and asked him the the same questions (suicidal, homicidal, etc) every time and checked up on him... He hated that guy and bit his tongue every time because he knew if he was honest it would come back on him. He admitted to being homocidal one time and the guy was like, 'Oh, funny joke.' and ignored his response of being serious.

I have asked him why he doesn't talk to anyone about it, and he says that every person they've made him see has made it worse. Talking down to him, insulting him, making him feel like his problems/feelings are typical and simple.

justmehere:

Thank you. I'm all teary now. I really am such a sap! I've always been more concerned about other people than myself, and I know that puts me in situations where I am overly forgiving and accepting of things as normal when they probably aren't...

I'm starting to get the picture...

Fridayjones:

Yes, I can tell your ADHD funnels through your fingers, too. Haha.

Your last paragraph really hit home... As I said to Kwan, and mentioned in my OP, every other time but the bad times are ...good... They're great. They're better than any time, with any person I've ever had in my life. We click, we mesh, we finish each other's sentences at times, or shout the same exact thing at the TV, or crave the same foods at the same times...

Our relationship is mostly wonderful, wherein we are as happy doing nothing as we are when dining out at a new resturant as long as we're together, there is still passion and love, new things to learn about each other, etc...

janne:

Yes, of course, ask away.

He constantly bites his nails/cuticles...in a way I think I'd say that yes, he's in a constant state of anxiety. But it's nothing like my anxiety. I wear mine on my sleeve...my sweaty, twitchy sleeve...

If I could describe it, I would say it's like...

A long, worn, knotted piece of twine, anchoring a boat to a dock.

It's good, it's good, oops, a thread breaks, it's good, it's good, oops, another thread breaks, it's good, BAM THE WHOLE THING SNAPS.

...

I don't think he ever truly calms down, from even the smallest things that annoy him, he just fights to hold onto the twine as he ties another knot into it.




I'm sorry if I kinda trailed off at every response...this stuff is rough to talk about.
 
I think you do a very good job of talking about it. I hope it has been a help to you because you are distressed. PTSD is crazy making. It just is. But please keep your safety in mind.
 
@Cheerios007 I get what he means, I do. I was incredibly lucky when I decided to give therapy a try. I got a T I actually like and who isn't put off by my sense of humor, and other things that some people find annoying (at best). He & I are sufficiently different that I sometimes have no idea what he just said, but I can say that, and he doesn't make me feel like an idiot, so it works. When I first contacted him, by email, he said in his reply, "If what you have IS PTSD, I can tell you that it affects more areas of life than you know and it won't go away by itself, it will tend to get worse." And the stark reality, which he DIDN'T add, is that it can kill you too.

He sounds to me like he's worth "saving" and it sounds like you think so to. What ever happens in the relationship, it would be better if he got some help. I don't know how far he is from the nearest veteran's facility. These days a lot of places at least have support groups, where he can talk to other people with similar issues. I wouldn't have believed how helpful that can be, if I hadn't found this forum.

Once upon a time, a long time ago, I was in a relationship with someone where we finished each other's sentences..... It's pretty cool and not to be dismissed lightly. He was the first person to realize I had a problem and about the only person who ever decided I was worth the trouble of trying to sort it out. I know he thought I was worth the trouble, but I also know he wouldn't let me push him around. If I was behaving like a jerk, he called me on it. The fact that he could and would was part of why I came to believe I could trust him. There's lots to consider here, for sure.

Hey, you've probably already figured this out, but, if you're going to try to talk all this through with him, do it on a "good" day and do it in the "safest" place you can think of, because the conversation is likely to push a few buttons. The better he's functioning going in, the better the conversation will go. If he IS worth the trouble, he doesn't WANT or expect you to live your life walking on egg shells, for example.
 
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